KVR Audio

headquest · Post by **headquest** » Mon Sep 11, 2006 11:11 pm

sounddesigner wrote:When i use Sonar's 64bit mode the plugin sounds very distorted in a loud way, when i turn 64bit mode off everything is okay. Nice sounding plug when it is working right (64bit off). I like it so far!

+1.

There's problems with this in Sonar 5.2 with the 64-bit mix mode engaged. It sounds very distorted as sounddesigner says.

Can also confirm:

Audition 2.0 - works fine (VST)
Audition 2.0 - works fine: DX version via Cakewalk wrapper.

headquest · Post by **headquest** » Mon Sep 11, 2006 11:17 pm

EDIT - can also confirm that in SONAR 5.2:

Yes, it's fine if you switch to the 32-bit mix engine.

Also, in SONAR the plug opens with all faders all fully down instead of on zero. Strange. "Reset" corrects this. Little bugette?

Jason Brian Merrill · Mon Sep 11, 2006 11:24 pm

that sucks to hear that --- thats one of the things i was attracted to about sonar was the 64 bit engine. perhaps its an issue with the plugin using double precision and not sonar?

headquest · Post by **headquest** » Mon Sep 11, 2006 11:44 pm

Well, by way of an update, I dug up Tracktion 2 which also has 64-bit mixing math, and Overtone GEQ works fine in T2 as well.

So the problem is definitely linked/limited to Sonar's 64-bit summing engine...

By the way, using 41k sampling rate throughout all tests.

Hope this helps all, Aleksey

jens · Post by **jens** » Tue Sep 12, 2006 12:54 am

In eXT it only exposes two input- and two output-channels...

Lee702 · Post by **Lee702** » Tue Sep 12, 2006 1:30 am

Thanks Team Voxengo sounds great and looks fantastic

rpc9943 · Post by **rpc9943** » Tue Sep 12, 2006 1:54 am

yow! are the other vox plugs gonna be updated?

ROnC

Aleksey Vaneev · Post by **Aleksey Vaneev** » Tue Sep 12, 2006 6:33 am

Thanks for more of your comments!

This plug-in design is going to be a base for the future plug-ins. I do plan to update existing plug-ins as well: this may take a while, but some day you'll see existing plug-ins change their skin and features.

On bypass switch:
Bypass switch was mainly designed for evaluation of changes plug-in made.
Bypass switch will not conserve CPU resources when switched on.

About edit groups:
Edit group is the group you are now editing in the Graphic A or Graphic B.
Underlay group selects which group to display as blue underlay. Underlays
can be useful when editing two groups - to see how they differ from each
other.

Groups themselves can be attached to individual channels in the Channel
Routing box. For example, this allows you to have individual EQ settings for
channel 1 and 2. In surround setup you may assign left and right channels to
group 1, and surround channels to group 2 and edit them independently of
each other.

Sonar 5.2 'slider reset' problem confirmed - I will be trying to fix it. However, 64-bit audio mixing problem there is not what I can fix (I've rechecked my code and it seems to be Sonar's problem).

jens, you'll have to use energyXTE for multi IO.

Aleksey Vaneev · Post by **Aleksey Vaneev** » Tue Sep 12, 2006 6:36 am

mistertoast wrote:What is the sonic goal? In other words, we should use this if we're looking for what kind of sound?

Hard to say. Just a good sound with a bit of harmonic spices.

Warmonger · Post by **Warmonger** » Tue Sep 12, 2006 6:42 am

GEQ?

I realize it's not exactly a Kjaerhus trademark (that's GEQ7), but there's definitely potential for confusion there.

The new look is excellent, though (by the way, what font is that for the GUI?). And it's always great to have more quality free VST effects!

Aleksey Vaneev · Post by **Aleksey Vaneev** » Tue Sep 12, 2006 6:46 am

Warmonger wrote:GEQ?

I realize it's not exactly a Kjaerhus trademark (that's GEQ7), but there's definitely potential for confusion there.

The new look is excellent, though (by the way, what font is that for the GUI?). And it's always great to have more quality free VST effects!

GEQ is simply 'Graphic EQ', in classical sense - EQ with fixed bands. As far as trademarks are concerned, Overtone GEQ is the full name of the plug-in, not just GEQ. Do a Google search on 'GEQ equalizer'.

Which UI font are you referring to?

Warmonger · Post by **Warmonger** » Tue Sep 12, 2006 6:49 am

headquest wrote:Well, by way of an update, I dug up Tracktion 2 which also has 64-bit mixing math, and Overtone GEQ works fine in T2 as well.

So the problem is definitely linked/limited to Sonar's 64-bit summing engine...

By the way, using 41k sampling rate throughout all tests.

Hope this helps all, Aleksey

Tracktion uses 64 bits for summing, but it only uses a 32 bit interface with VSTs (this is what VST 2.3 calls for). IIRC Sonar 5.2 implements VST 2.4, which allows for 64 bit output from VSTs.

Warmonger · Post by **Warmonger** » Tue Sep 12, 2006 6:53 am

Aleksey Vaneev wrote:GEQ is simply 'Graphic EQ', in classical sense - EQ with fixed bands. As far as trademarks are concerned, Overtone GEQ is the full name of the plug-in, not just GEQ. Do a Google search on 'GEQ equalizer'.

Which UI font are you referring to?

Like I said, I know it's not a term only used by Kjaerhus. It's just that that plug is commonly abbreviated to GEQ on this forum, and your Overtone GEQ is being abbreviated the same way in this thread. Guess that's not really your fault though.

Not a big deal anyway.

As far as fonts, I was wondering about the title and button fonts.

headquest · Post by **headquest** » Tue Sep 12, 2006 6:54 am

Warmonger wrote: Tracktion uses 64 bits for summing, but it only uses a 32 bit interface with VSTs (this is what VST 2.3 calls for). IIRC Sonar 5.2 implements VST 2.4, which allows for 64 bit output from VSTs.

Good point - yes that's right.

Aleksey - thanks for confirming about the Sonar issues. Maybe the part they need to fix will be okay in Sonar 6 - let's hope!

Once again, lovely EQ - thanks!

Aleksey Vaneev · Post by **Aleksey Vaneev** » Tue Sep 12, 2006 6:56 am

Aleksey Vaneev wrote: However, 64-bit audio mixing problem there is not what I can fix (I've rechecked my code and it seems to be Sonar's problem).

Ah, probably, I've misinterpreted VST 2.4 spec (and its setProcessPrecision call). Maybe I can fix this after all (but this is ugly as VST 2.4 already has processDoubleReplacing() function for exactly 64-bit float processing).

Voxengo Overtone GEQ (free VST plug-in)