Exactly. Any apps are competitors for our attention if they are on the market-freeware, shareware, or commercial.Lance wrote:You're right, Improv. But otherwise these apps are also competitors of each other.
SAWStudio?
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- KVRAF
- 1949 posts since 21 Mar, 2003 from Labrador
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- KVRAF
- 1949 posts since 21 Mar, 2003 from Labrador
Very true. And obvious, except to a hardcore Sawstudio like fanboy Ken. BTW-how many fanboys does Sawstudio have now-three?bduffy wrote: I would think Samplitude would be considered a "competitor" to SAW, or Nuendo, or Logic, etc. It's a full-featured sequencer, the only difference with Sequoia is some mastering/post features; you sure you're not thinking of Magix Music Studio?
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- KVRAF
- 1949 posts since 21 Mar, 2003 from Labrador
So by your 'logic', if Paris Hilton bought Sawstudio, that would make her a pro? (I mean in the audio field!)kenn wrote: Sorta like listening to Civic drivers dissing the dash of a Freightliner.
Exactly what does Saw have that is so damn special? The price is not the point, the feature set is not the point. The point is the feature set for the money. If you like Saw, fine-use it. But for the money they want for the full version, there are several other competitors that work very well for their stated purpose.
Or are users just supposed to get Saw because you have this obsessive fanboyism going on with Sawstudio? I hope you two are very happy.
<Kenn on mute>
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- KVRist
- 357 posts since 24 Jul, 2005 from Toronto ON
Dude, CAREFUL. They'll label you an obsessive fanboy, too. I hope you never feel the sting of rejection when Improv mutes you.olzzon wrote:One of the greatest advantages of SAW is the price IMO.
I think it's competing with Reaper, Protools, Samplitude,Nuendo.
BUT.
It has a pricerange which exclude the wheeeeeeners.
and that is NICE.
i do prefer reaper, though.
And one of the only thing i miss in repaer is, a forum where it's not discussed whether it's better to use the left button, or alt+right button to mark an area.
But on the other hand, i ike reaper for being a place where everything is allowed to be discussed.
So i better just shut up.
If they knew I had a Reaper licence too, they'd positively slaughter me.
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Jason Brian Merrill Jason Brian Merrill https://www.kvraudio.com/forum/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=87372
- KVRAF
- 2694 posts since 11 Nov, 2005 from http://maps.google.com/maps?oi=map&q=Massena,+NY --(on the Canadian border)
it is rather funny, I say again, when someone needs to proclaim to the world they muted someone.
check my profile for contact info.
msn messenger is my email as well.
msn messenger is my email as well.
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- KVRAF
- 3158 posts since 2 Jul, 2005 from Stuck in the closet
You're muted, asshole.Jason Brian Merrill wrote:it is rather funny, I say again, when someone needs to proclaim to the world they muted someone.
Just kidding. :0I haven't even muted djdumbass yet.
Mizutaphile.
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- KVRAF
- 1949 posts since 21 Mar, 2003 from Labrador
It is rather funny, I say again, when someone needs to proclaim to the world they use Reaper-over and over, and over, and over again!Jason Brian Merrill wrote:it is rather funny, I say again, when someone needs to proclaim to the world they muted someone.
Pot-kettle-black!
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- KVRist
- 99 posts since 29 Sep, 2005
I'm moving from Sonar to SawStudio. I guess that makes me a moron or a fanboy. Damn. Or am I not a fanboy until I say something good about Saw? I'm confused.
The way I see it EVERYONE HERE is a fanboy of whatever DAW they use. Just because there are less Saw users doesn't make them a cult. Or maybe it does? I guess that would mean that Cubase/Sonar/PT/etc users are a religion and Saw users are a cult? I can accept that.
Rants aside, I'm very happy moving to Saw. Lots of people ask what's so different about it, the biggest thing for me is responsivness. When people compare Saw to an analog console it's not as much about the sound as it is about the user experience. Saw is coded in assembler and it is extremely fast. When a mixing engineer sits in front of a console he has instant access to every fader and effects control at his fingertips. That feeling is what Saw was written to recreate. The thing that first drew me in was seeing how fast you could get to different screens in the gui by using the function keys (F1 - F12). These aren't just preset screens, you can customize a screen and then save it as an F key. Then anytime you want that particular screen layout you just hit the F key and it instantly switches. Never hiccups when doing this during playback or recording. And there are alt-F keys so you can have instant access to 24 different workspaces.
If you go to the SawStudio users forum you'll notice that a lot (probably the majority) of the users there are studio engineers that came from analog consoles. There are plenty of users like myself that migrated over from other software DAW's, but Saw seems to click really well with hardware guys that aren't used to how a DAW 'should' work. There's also a large group of users that have come over from the Roland VS DAW. Those guys are also used to instant hardware feedback and are attracted to Saw because of its responsivness.
The shades (skins) have been mentioned and there are a lot of them so the ugliness of the gui is not an issue (agreed that the defaul gui is not pretty.. gotta love the wood grain though! It's like a Little Phatty on your screen). Also, like I said above, if you think the default screen is too cluttered, close the windows you don't want, resize the others, and save it as an F key.
Someone mentioned video.. Saw works with video and does it very nicely. You import a video and Saw has a video player, or you can output the video to another monitor. As you scroll along the multitrack the video plays and is frame locked in sync with the cursor. Move your cursor in the multitrack until you find the video frame you want, then go to the sound library, audition a sound effect (or whatever), and add it to your project. Doing audio to video doesn't get any easier.
Regarding the sound. It's excellent. I know there's a huge argument over the impossibility of one DAW sounding better then another DAW.. I'll just say that I love the sound. To my ears its the best sounding DAW that I've heard. Maybe when you export the files they'll null, but when your mixing in the DAW if there's a difference then it can have an effect on the way you mix. I also just installed Samplitude V8 SE from the Computer Music DVD. It sounds excellent also.. but I'm too used to being able to just zip around the gui in Saw and have instant access to everything I want to do.
Also worth mentioning is the built in effects. For me they rival the best software eq and comp plug ins, and you get a full dedicated channel strip on each track. A lot of Saw users use the built in plugs and little else.
Finally about the price.. like LilEasy mentioned Saw costs $2000 through a VIP affiliate. Or Bob has a good faith agreement, $200 down and $100 a month until it's paid off. I was just about to drop a cool G on a UAD package but I don't find the need for it anymore. And I'm not bashing the UAD plugs at all, I think they're excellent, but that's just how much I like the sound of the Saw engine and it's built in plug ins.
And the price lets you install it on 9 (that's NINE) machines. And it has full master/slave TCP/IP support to control your 8 slave machines from one master machine. For me the price wasn't objectionable at all.
All of the above just scratches the surface of Saw's functionality. I'd recommend that anyone curious go to sawstudio.com and watch all of the videos. Then download the demo and go through the tutorials on the website.. there's definitely a learning curve.
Saw's not for everyone, in fact it's probably not for most. I don't bash other DAW's or software and I fully believe that you should use whatever feels the best for you. It's all about minimizing how much technology stands in the way of creative flow. For me and others that feel at home with Saw, it's as cool as the other side of the pillow.
FANBOY OUT
The way I see it EVERYONE HERE is a fanboy of whatever DAW they use. Just because there are less Saw users doesn't make them a cult. Or maybe it does? I guess that would mean that Cubase/Sonar/PT/etc users are a religion and Saw users are a cult? I can accept that.
Rants aside, I'm very happy moving to Saw. Lots of people ask what's so different about it, the biggest thing for me is responsivness. When people compare Saw to an analog console it's not as much about the sound as it is about the user experience. Saw is coded in assembler and it is extremely fast. When a mixing engineer sits in front of a console he has instant access to every fader and effects control at his fingertips. That feeling is what Saw was written to recreate. The thing that first drew me in was seeing how fast you could get to different screens in the gui by using the function keys (F1 - F12). These aren't just preset screens, you can customize a screen and then save it as an F key. Then anytime you want that particular screen layout you just hit the F key and it instantly switches. Never hiccups when doing this during playback or recording. And there are alt-F keys so you can have instant access to 24 different workspaces.
If you go to the SawStudio users forum you'll notice that a lot (probably the majority) of the users there are studio engineers that came from analog consoles. There are plenty of users like myself that migrated over from other software DAW's, but Saw seems to click really well with hardware guys that aren't used to how a DAW 'should' work. There's also a large group of users that have come over from the Roland VS DAW. Those guys are also used to instant hardware feedback and are attracted to Saw because of its responsivness.
The shades (skins) have been mentioned and there are a lot of them so the ugliness of the gui is not an issue (agreed that the defaul gui is not pretty.. gotta love the wood grain though! It's like a Little Phatty on your screen). Also, like I said above, if you think the default screen is too cluttered, close the windows you don't want, resize the others, and save it as an F key.
Someone mentioned video.. Saw works with video and does it very nicely. You import a video and Saw has a video player, or you can output the video to another monitor. As you scroll along the multitrack the video plays and is frame locked in sync with the cursor. Move your cursor in the multitrack until you find the video frame you want, then go to the sound library, audition a sound effect (or whatever), and add it to your project. Doing audio to video doesn't get any easier.
Regarding the sound. It's excellent. I know there's a huge argument over the impossibility of one DAW sounding better then another DAW.. I'll just say that I love the sound. To my ears its the best sounding DAW that I've heard. Maybe when you export the files they'll null, but when your mixing in the DAW if there's a difference then it can have an effect on the way you mix. I also just installed Samplitude V8 SE from the Computer Music DVD. It sounds excellent also.. but I'm too used to being able to just zip around the gui in Saw and have instant access to everything I want to do.
Also worth mentioning is the built in effects. For me they rival the best software eq and comp plug ins, and you get a full dedicated channel strip on each track. A lot of Saw users use the built in plugs and little else.
Finally about the price.. like LilEasy mentioned Saw costs $2000 through a VIP affiliate. Or Bob has a good faith agreement, $200 down and $100 a month until it's paid off. I was just about to drop a cool G on a UAD package but I don't find the need for it anymore. And I'm not bashing the UAD plugs at all, I think they're excellent, but that's just how much I like the sound of the Saw engine and it's built in plug ins.
And the price lets you install it on 9 (that's NINE) machines. And it has full master/slave TCP/IP support to control your 8 slave machines from one master machine. For me the price wasn't objectionable at all.
All of the above just scratches the surface of Saw's functionality. I'd recommend that anyone curious go to sawstudio.com and watch all of the videos. Then download the demo and go through the tutorials on the website.. there's definitely a learning curve.
Saw's not for everyone, in fact it's probably not for most. I don't bash other DAW's or software and I fully believe that you should use whatever feels the best for you. It's all about minimizing how much technology stands in the way of creative flow. For me and others that feel at home with Saw, it's as cool as the other side of the pillow.
FANBOY OUT
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- KVRian
- 762 posts since 2 Sep, 2004 from Poland
Everyone should do as please. Thought I will not be buying SAW any time soon (price is too high and I need mostly midi tracking) I can understand that such host like Sonar might get tiresome.clonewar wrote:I'm moving from Sonar to SawStudio. I guess that makes me a moron or a fanboy. Damn. Or am I not a fanboy until I say something good about Saw? I'm confused.
The way I see it EVERYONE HERE is a fanboy of whatever DAW they use. Just because there are less Saw users doesn't make them a cult. Or maybe it does? I guess that would mean that Cubase/Sonar/PT/etc users are a religion and Saw users are a cult? I can accept that.
After all to make some music there is need of instruments, seqencer, a mixer and some additional effects. DAWs didn't really changed that. The core paradigm is still the same and thanks to the common PC hardware we can competent music making machine for relatively cheap.
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Jason Brian Merrill Jason Brian Merrill https://www.kvraudio.com/forum/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=87372
- KVRAF
- 2694 posts since 11 Nov, 2005 from http://maps.google.com/maps?oi=map&q=Massena,+NY --(on the Canadian border)
unfortunately I dont do that.... unless you can prove otherwise, moronImprov wrote:It is rather funny, I say again, when someone needs to proclaim to the world they use Reaper-over and over, and over, and over again!Jason Brian Merrill wrote:it is rather funny, I say again, when someone needs to proclaim to the world they muted someone.
Pot-kettle-black!
(reaper isnt even my host anyway)
check my profile for contact info.
msn messenger is my email as well.
msn messenger is my email as well.
