SAWStudio?

[grymmjack]

1.33MB. And yes, it's harder to modify than C code.

1.33mb is an amazing accomplishment. to bob for achieving that. same is true of reaper i think about no? i'm pretty sure justin doesn't code entirely in assembler...

[kenn]

what's in it for you? do you get some kind of kickback if they say you told them about it? the good old boys club?

Very droll.

I will attempt an honest answer. (cos I happen to respect you, from some of your other posts I've read).

I've been involved with DAWs since the late 80's. I bought the first version of SAW after attending a demo given by Bob Lentini at NAB '95 (when alot of the haters were still gnawing Lego blocks). I currently use other apps.

It was my perception that most of the negative comments were based on screenshots and a price tag, from basement punters who will never work professionally, having a good old group hate on an app they don't (and won't) understand. But apparently it's not the KVR way to try to explain stuff.

Whatever.

[Improv]

don't forget bill. he's the coolest of the three.

Who be Bill, grym?

[Improv]

no i'm not a "pro" in that i don't make money off of doing stuff with sound, but i think your statement about a "pro" not using free stuff speaks volumes.

His definition of a 'pro' is circular logic at it's best!

BTW-did you know that Paris and Nicky Hilton use SawStudio exclusively? And aren't they pros?

[koolkeys]

I think there is a TON if ignorance in the assumption that free stuff can't do the same thing. There is also alot of ignorance in the assumption that anyone who doesn't like SAW must not be professional.

I'm a pro. I use Tracktion and EXT. I'm not a kid. My life and career is music.

The SAW interface is less then inspiring, even with the new skins. They do look nicer, but that doesn't change the logic behind the interface.

If SAW is for you, then fine. And if you're bashing SAW without every trying it, then shame on you. But I HAVE tried it, and it's nowhere near as good as some here are saying, at least to my ears. And for the price, it may be worth it to many. But there are other packages that are MUCH cheaper that have alot more.

I have no reason to believe that the SAW creator gives bad service. He seems to be very good. And the license seems to be a good one. But if you think because you use SAW that you are somehow elite compared to most here at KVR, you are sadly mistaken. You are no better, and your host is no better. It's good for you, but calling others children or anything else is just stupid.

I agree that many people who bash it do so on screenshots and price. But the attitude given in return is no better.

Just my opinions, of course. I have nothing against SAW, except for the interface(no matter what skin). If it's good for you, fine. That doesn't put you above me at all.

Brent

[koolkeys]

no i'm not a "pro" in that i don't make money off of doing stuff with sound, but i think your statement about a "pro" not using free stuff speaks volumes.

His definition of a 'pro' is circular logic at it's best!

BTW-did you know that Paris and Nicky Hilton use SawStudio exclusively? And aren't they pros?

I think it's utterly ridiculous when I see pictures of these people "mixing" on a board. Usually, there are no lights on, on the board OR in their heads. I remember seeing the picture recently of Christina Aguilera(sp?) with her hand on a fader. In reality they have no idea what they are doing, but for some reason they try to make people think they actually have a clue.

It's like these teeny bop artists who rewrite two words of a song just so they can say they were a co-writer of the song on the album sheet.

Just all funny to me.

Brent

[Improv]

I think it's utterly ridiculous when I see pictures of these people "mixing" on a board.

Shouldn't that be 'mixed up'

Ever were it so...!

[sQeetz]

SAWstudio is IMHO the attempt of a bunch of oldschool hardware manufacturers/developers programming some piece of crp & convincing "pros" it's the ish just to make fun out of computer musicians.

[skipkent]

Real-time live sound in software, anybody? Beuller?

Can you mix, eq, compress and do effects for a live show with T2?

Cubase?

Logic?

reaper?

Sonar?

EXT?

Just wondering!

[Jason Brian Merrill]

1.33MB. And yes, it's harder to modify than C code.

1.33mb is an amazing accomplishment. to bob for achieving that. same is true of reaper i think about no? i'm pretty sure justin doesn't code entirely in assembler...

reaper exe is 1.11 megs.

[skipkent]

There's another interesting bit about SAW being able to automagically stretch and cross-fade two butt-spliced bits of audio, as well as the ability to 'hot-swap' effects while something is playing. Kinda neat.

[koolkeys]

Jason, actually the Reaper exe is 1.4 megs now. EXT is still the lightest of them all, at about half that. I don't know how they do it!

Anyways, skipkent, I'm not sure what your post above is trying to prove. Am I missing something?

Brent

[Jason Brian Merrill]

Jason, actually the Reaper exe is 1.4 megs now.

Brent

the setup.exe is 1.4 megs -- but the actual program exe is 1.11 megs

[grymmjack]

what's in it for you? do you get some kind of kickback if they say you told them about it? the good old boys club?

Very droll.

I will attempt an honest answer. (cos I happen to respect you, from some of your other posts I've read).

I've been involved with DAWs since the late 80's. I bought the first version of SAW after attending a demo given by Bob Lentini at NAB '95 (when alot of the haters were still gnawing Lego blocks). I currently use other apps.

It was my perception that most of the negative comments were based on screenshots and a price tag, from basement punters who will never work professionally, having a good old group hate on an app they don't (and won't) understand. But apparently it's not the KVR way to try to explain stuff.

Whatever.

you dont need to justify yourself to anyone. this is what i dont understand. people say "i like something" and then someone else says "something sucks" then the other person says "but it's blablabla" and then the hater says "yes but blablabalbal idiot."

etc.

i already had the saw talk with Bill OC. i personally have nothing against anybody for using any type of software, that's ridiculous and absurd. the only thing that bothers me is when people try to push their preferences onto others or whatever, and then the polemic tugs of war ensue..

it's such a waste of time.

when you make mentions of age though, that's when i pipe up and start giving some shit back. this is the same thing that bill and I went through, and in the end we got to know each other a bit and found a way to end it on friendly terms.

my point being not age, but to point out the stereotyping. when you say 'lego biters' and wheeners and such, you are implying that anyone that doesn't agree with you about saw in some regard is such. thus you are basically saying that you are stereotyping and even if you are doing so when someone stereotypes you to get 'back at them', a juvenile thing to do to be sure, it's just feeding the fire.

in the end what you use doesn't label you or segregate you or anything. these saw talks are always so heated and eventually what happens is everyone just gives up and moves on. i think the world is f**ked up enough that we have much more important things to worry about then software-cliques, etc.

[grymmjack]

don't forget bill. he's the coolest of the three.

Who be Bill, grym?

Bill OC

i wasn't being sarcastic. i was being genuine. him and i butted heads about saw not even a month ago or so. he's a cool cat.

i have respect for my elders, it's just that when my elders start talking to me like i'm *holds up a random number of fingers on both hands* this many years old, it bothers me a bit.

truly i appreciate wisdom, every year i understand more and more about life and how it all works. i was raised to stand up for something if you think it's worth it and never just lay there and take the beating, but fight back ..

i've been grocery shopping and been pushed aside, literally, by people twice my age getting their cans of corn or bags of whatever, and it's rude. it doesn't matter how old you are, you are accountable for your actions in my world. so when the old people push me, i push them back and say "excuse you, i was here first, you will wait until i am done looking or kindly ask me to move. if you shove me again i will shove you back, only harder."

do i empathize with my elders? yes.. totally. can i possibly understand what they must feel in an older body and make exception when it's obvious to plain sight? of course. but real true respect is MUTUAL and not one sided.

so i'm babbling a bit, but now you have more of an idea of why i participate in these kinds of threads where age becomes an issue.