Host Wars 2006: The Fall Classic

[rockstar_not]

for audio editing might as well just use it's external audio option... i use adobe audition and its awesome to export a clip out to it and edit it destructively etc

that's actually a very good idea...perhaps a bit of a pain in the ass, but it's worth a try...

One of the really cool things about ORION [and yes, there are many] is that it allows you to link your audio editor of choice into the Playlist. So you just right-click on an audio clip, choose "Edit" and it launches your application of choice. Its great because every time you go back to ORION it automagically reloads the file so you can go back and forth with ease. To me that make much more sense that reinventing the wheel by having some half-arsed editor built-in.

Bones,

That's how Tracktion works as well, just so you know.

-Scott

[opia]

pretty much become a standard thing
no doubt still a revolutionary idea to bones tho

[DaveL60]

Two words, Ableton Live.

Review stuff in the latest U.S. edition of Future Music makes Live 6 really sound like the cat's pajamas. I've only done a little playing with the Live 4 LE that came with my ProteusX, but it's definitely an interesting environment to work in. Unfortunately, my thinking's still awfully linear / 4-track-ish to entirely wrap my head around working in Live.

My setup at the moment is Trackion 1.6 NFR plus ACID Pro 4, the latter mostly for building drum tracks from loops. Given my abysmally low production rate, it's probably safer to say that I dabble with these rather than really using them, so don't weight my opinion too high!

DaveL

[headquest]

for audio editing might as well just use it's external audio option... i use adobe audition and its awesome to export a clip out to it and edit it destructively etc

that's actually a very good idea...perhaps a bit of a pain in the ass, but it's worth a try...

One of the really cool things about ORION [and yes, there are many] is that it allows you to link your audio editor of choice into the Playlist. So you just right-click on an audio clip, choose "Edit" and it launches your application of choice. Its great because every time you go back to ORION it automagically reloads the file so you can go back and forth with ease. To me that make much more sense that reinventing the wheel by having some half-arsed editor built-in.

I guess i thought this is how MOST hosts dealt with external audio editors.

It is how they pretty much all work, including Tractkion, which Chuck already has.

So I agree with you Jason. Enjoy the moment!

[headquest]

anyway: which one is the best?

I think that you should buy the one I use, because that is undoubtedly the best.























Oh, hang on a minute... I use more than one...

[headquest]

Mr. Steinberg looks like he's gonna beat seven shades of shit out of Mr. Reaper. And Mr. Tracktion looks like a real wimp ...

[Chuck E. Jesus]

Mr. Steinberg looks like he's gonna beat seven shades of shit out of Mr. Reaper. And Mr. Tracktion looks like a real wimp ...

i thought it just represented youngster, healthy and trim, and old and bloated.....

[headquest]

i thought it just represented youngster, healthy and trim, and old and bloated.....

And Ableton had already run half a block away by the time the trouble started really brewing

[Art Evans]

Reaper discussions here lately seem to have got seriously bogged with matters of icons, (OK, I've not looked for a couple of days, maybe it's changed). However, since its v.1 release a significant number of improvements have been made to its already excellent audio editing capabilities, and I do feel that it's now just as good as 'traditional' stereo audio editors for... editing. No, it's not got the tools for declicking and noise reduction, but for the kind of thing that one used to use a razor blade for, it's pretty damn good.

I see it like this...

With a traditional destructive editor, once you've made your edits and saved, that's it - tomorrow there's no easy way to change them if the need arises. And if you didn't make a copy before editing your original, maybe you're totally stuffed.

With a non-destructive editor with ripple editing like Reaper, which moves stuff left to fill gaps from deletions or right to make space for insertions, or even allows material to be dragged and dropped with appropriate manipulation of the surrounding audio (region move), there's really no practical difference from using a destructive editor, apart from the big advantage of being able to tweak your edits when you first made them, or at any later date. Sure, you have to render to a new file, but that's not really any different from doing a save in a traditional editor, and you've not spent time making a backup first either.

So - take a look at Reaper or any other ripple editor and see if that fits your requirements.

(The particular new features I have in mind are Reaper's ability to continuously audition changes to selections and to clips/items as you adjust their edges or their crossfades - you don't have to press stop and play - and the "skip selection" facility which although not unique does come with the ability to likewise continuously audition the skip, and thus the planned edit, without having to undo and redo repeatedly).

[LT7]

As a person that makes electronic music "in the box" Ableton Live is the best for me. Cubase SX has a good second place. Ableton Live's midi editing might not be as advanced as Cubase, Logic or Sonar. Or might not have all those other features they have. But the flexibility of the whole application makes up for anything it lacks. My workflow in Ableton Live is so fluent. You don't have to go through multiple menu's to get things done. Just click and drag. Want to change the order of your effects chain? Click and drag. Most of the audio editing I also do in Live, splitting audio clips, consolidating audio clips. The integrated browser in Live is also amazing, you can preview all your audio and midi clips and drag them right into your project. Assigning automation to your controller is also a breeze, just hit the MIDI button, click on the fader or button you want to automate, move the controller key or whatever and your done. If you don't need a lot of the advanced features of the "bigger" hosts and you find workflow important, I would go for Ableton Live.

[BONES]

Traction and Ableton have best users interfaces. Looking at them is so refreshing comparably to Cubase or Sonar. EnergyXT is quite interesting as well thought somewhat weird at first. Now I'm trying Phrazor.

Well, owning licenses for both I can cheerfully report that I couldn't disagree with you more. Traktion is a dog's breakfast and Live is bland, which makes it difficult to find the thing you need. They might be better than the big boys but they still reek of spreadsheets to me. And Live is very much geared to certain styles fo music, its worth outside that is considerably diminished.

pretty much become a standard thing

Clearly learning from the master; we've had it for years and this is the first time I've mentioned it and anyone else has indicated its not unique. I suppose the rest of the world had to catch up eventually.

[hoffy]

yeah, even FL lets you define and external audio editor...

but FL sucks so who cares.

[headquest]

Clearly learning from the master...

Indeed....


















...Ableton has had this pretty much since the very beginning!

[ericj23]

Clearly learning from the master...

Indeed....


















...Ableton has had this pretty much since the very beginning!

alas orion is much older than live

so bones is right - mind you it was in cubase 3.7 so err learning from the master is about right

[AD80]

mind you it was in cubase 3.7 so err learning from the master is about right

Tracktion had it in version negative 10.2.

Long before Cubase or even electricity.