"Cubase's routing is better than FL's"

[fretwizz]

So how do you sidechain in FL again?

Using the peak controller is one way. Easy Easy.

Yep.
Peak Controller.

[tonework]

So how do you sidechain in FL again?

AFAIK the VST Send-Recieve, Peakcontrol and Mono Left>Right sidechain are possible.. no real stereo Sidechain inputs

Unless real Quadro(or more channel) groups are possible..

[rbet]

So how do you sidechain in FL again?

AFAIK the VST Send-Recieve, Peakcontrol and Mono Left>Right sidechain are possible.. no real stereo Sidechain inputs

Unless real Quadro(or more channel) groups are possible..

What are real sidechain inputs?

Or, what is real? How do you define real?

[bmanic]

Ah ok, In that case i'm not trying to elicit any discussion.. I'm just reflecting what I hear

.. which is? Do a phase reverse test on a rendered 32bit float from FL Studio and the same 32bit float file in Cubase.

- bManic

[Kingston]

What are real sidechain inputs?

*Audio* sidechain inputs. Not some automagically created control data lanes controlling your plugin parameters, because that's quite simply *not* sidechaining.

It's really not that difficult to understand the difference.

[bmanic]

So how do you sidechain in FL again?

Using the peak controller is one way. Easy Easy.

Yep.
Peak Controller.

Eh? That's just a control signal.. NOT a proper audio sidechain.

- bManic

[tonework]

So how do you sidechain in FL again?

AFAIK the VST Send-Recieve, Peakcontrol and Mono Left>Right sidechain are possible.. no real stereo Sidechain inputs

Unless real Quadro(or more channel) groups are possible..

What are real sidechain inputs?

I mean that you could control all the channels independently. a true stereo SIDECHAIN input which can be interpret by the internal envelope..

not just a pumping volumeslider following a mono sum of your trigger channel.. this may work on a mono bassline but for ducking multichannel pads with multichannel vocals. This neglects the whole idea of sideschaining.

[tonework]

So how do you sidechain in FL again?

AFAIK the VST Send-Recieve, Peakcontrol and Mono Left>Right sidechain are possible.. no real stereo Sidechain inputs

Unless real Quadro(or more channel) groups are possible..

What are real sidechain inputs?

I mean that you could control all the channels independently. a true stereo SIDECHAIN input which can be interpret by the internal envelope..

not just a pumping volumeslider following a mono sum of your trigger channel.. this might work on a mono bassline but not for ducking multichannel pads with multichannel vocals. This neglects the whole idea of sideschaining.

[rbet]

What are real sidechain inputs?

*Audio* sidechain inputs. Not some automagically created control data lanes controlling your plugin parameters, because that's quite simply *not* sidechaining.

It's really not that difficult to understand the difference.

OK, thanks, I now understand the difference technically. If you have the time, would you mind posting audio clips having the same audio content but sidechained differently?

EDIT: Thanks tonework.

[tonework]

What are real sidechain inputs?

*Audio* sidechain inputs. Not some automagically created control data lanes controlling your plugin parameters, because that's quite simply *not* sidechaining.

It's really not that difficult to understand the difference.

OK, thanks, I now understand the difference technically. If you have the time, would you mind posting audio clips having the same audio content but sidechained differently?

Difference would be big in case you use stereo material.

the SC Compressor would behave different for the left and right channel and the influence of the envelope in the comp would prevent the compressors behavior from staticly doing exact the same as the input..

[rbet]

What are real sidechain inputs?

*Audio* sidechain inputs. Not some automagically created control data lanes controlling your plugin parameters, because that's quite simply *not* sidechaining.

It's really not that difficult to understand the difference.

OK, thanks, I now understand the difference technically. If you have the time, would you mind posting audio clips having the same audio content but sidechained differently?

Difference would be big in case you use stereo material.

the SC Compressor would behave different for the left and right channel and the influence of the envelope in the comp would prevent the compressors behavior from staticly doing exact the same as the input..

yup got that. But could I achieve it by splitting both the sidechain input signal and the other material and then using separate peak controllers and then reuniting the output?

[bmanic]

[bmanic]

Look, you can not compare the Peak Controller with what a compressor with a true sidechain can do. You can NOT control the compressor with the peak controller, you can not affect it's behaviour, where as with a true sidechain you can. Same goes for ringmodulation, or other esoteric effects where the extra inputs are used for audio rate control of things.

One more example: You can not EQUALISE the peak controller data to then feed a compressor so that it only reacts to bass/mid/high frequencies. See the difference now? Though you could send the track to a separate one and equalise that track and then add a peak controller and route it to where you want it but the results would still be different as it is not feeding the compressors own detector (which is what a sidechain does).

Think of it like this: Peak Controller = envelope detector that converts audio to normal VST plugin automation data , Audio = .. hmm, well. AUDIO!!

Cheers!
bManic

[the_nihilist]

Mwahaha. Thread successfully hijacked.

[bmanic]

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