KVR Audio

Moe Shinola · Post by **Moe Shinola** » Thu Sep 21, 2006 5:52 am

I have S3PE, Revalver lite, FreeAmp2, Cortex, Cyanide2, Sinusweb Multilens(demo), CM Fuzz and some other gtr-oriented plugs I can't remember the names of right now. They do the overdriven amp thing pretty well but one thing I don't think is possible at this point is screaming guitar feedback. I have a Westbury amp but it's so little and I was hoping to just get the sound I want in software. Holding the guitar up close to the monitors with the pickups facing the cones dosen't work. Any ideas?

stag · Post by **stag** » Thu Sep 21, 2006 5:56 am

I got once Feedback with cans using Nomad,the demo has expired doe.
I do it just like you and it works with AT2 and Simulanalog GS.

BertKoor · Post by **BertKoor** » Thu Sep 21, 2006 6:09 am

Holding the guitar up close to the monitors with the pickups facing the cones dosen't work. Any ideas?

Turn up the volume. Make physical contact with the monitors using the end of the neck of your guitar.

funkadil · Post by **funkadil** » Thu Sep 21, 2006 6:20 am

You can do it live with your monitors or you can do it iterativly with destructive mixdowns. Im not sure how to get a nice fade in and dynamic change though with this technique. but If you have heard that "im sitting in a room..." piece you know what it does. It just gets very tonal and the distortion and eq effects you have begin to self oscillate. Surge synth has a feedback that works pretty well. Especially with bandpass filters and waveshapers in a series before feedback is looped in. With modulation this can be very interesting.

EDIT: couple of other ideas. senderella can let you do feedback loops i think. Its a free plugin that communicated audio signals with each instance, so you could set up a chain of filters and reverb and distortion and modulation that can be looped into itself. maybe set it up as a send so you can control the feedback better. There something betabugs did call feebug thats supposed to do feedback types of things too.

Kim Lajoie · Post by **Kim Lajoie** » Thu Sep 21, 2006 7:02 am

I just use vast amounts of compression and distortion.

-Kim.

flugel45 · Post by **flugel45** » Thu Sep 21, 2006 7:03 am

I don't use a lot of electric guitar (samples), but this really surprises me. Hundreds of electric guitar patches out there, and no one has ever bothered to sample the feedback?

Or is it that the patches you're finding aren't to your taste?

(Just want to understand your question).

JD

Moe Shinola · Post by **Moe Shinola** » Thu Sep 21, 2006 7:09 am

flugel45 wrote: Or is it that the patches you're finding aren't to your taste?
JD

No, I mean from my real guitar, from me playing my real guitar, in real time. I was hoping there was a way I could get feedback as if i'm playing through a 100-watt marshall with the pickups facing the amp(or at least something recognizable as feedback) .

bermudagold · Post by **bermudagold** » Thu Sep 21, 2006 7:10 am

slayer2 patches give you feedback very easily.....almost too easily....slayer 2 feedback sounds pretty realistic to me from just comparing it to the limited playing around i've done with real guitars and real amps.....not a guitar player though,..so they might beg to differ....check it though....

P.T. · Post by **P.T.** » Thu Sep 21, 2006 7:36 am

If you can get the feedback with the small amp then use it. You can get a surprisingly big sound micing a small amp.

GaryG · Post by **GaryG** » Thu Sep 21, 2006 9:16 am

ndc's Feedback-y Thing, feedback simulated with delay lines but can sound very realistic. Maybe you could fade it in/out with a midi pedal or something?

.g

Tony Ostinato · Post by **Tony Ostinato** » Thu Sep 21, 2006 9:41 am

boss used to have that super distortion feedbacker, you hold the pedal down and an artificial feedback would fade in.

fred2112 · Post by **fred2112** » Thu Sep 21, 2006 11:44 am

you can use any pc speaker for that..... I use to do that with a powerbook at maximum volume as well !

lfm · Post by **lfm** » Thu Sep 21, 2006 1:25 pm

Moe Shinola wrote:
flugel45 wrote: Or is it that the patches you're finding aren't to your taste?
JD

No, I mean from my real guitar, from me playing my real guitar, in real time. I was hoping there was a way I could get feedback as if i'm playing through a 100-watt marshall with the pickups facing the amp(or at least something recognizable as feedback) .

I don't know if you tried to play around with Izotope Trash.

You can run two different distortion types in 4 selectable bands, compression/expander in different bands etc. That would give you the ability together with lfo driven filters to open up a frequency range that would be typical of the harmonics of a feedbacked signal. Having one frequency band with a compressor setting that makes it comes through shortly after attack. There are various options how to control filters stage.

I think what happends in feedback loop is that mainly high range remains, dominating totally over low range.

Marybelle · Post by **Marybelle** » Thu Sep 21, 2006 2:08 pm

Didn't Christian put out a feedback plug awhile ago?

guitarzan · Post by **guitarzan** » Thu Sep 21, 2006 3:08 pm

BertKoor wrote:
Holding the guitar up close to the monitors with the pickups facing the cones dosen't work. Any ideas?
Turn up the volume. Make physical contact with the monitors using the end of the neck of your guitar.

Making contact with the speaker works, even with the smallest speakers. You can make a feedback unit with by attaching one of those little Smokey Amps to the back of the headstock (speaker facing the wood) with a rubber band. You would just need to make a little corrugated cardboard gasket with a hole cut out for the speaker. That would cut down on the rattles, external volume, and protect your guitar. You'd also have to split your guitar's signal.

How would you approximate guitar feedback using software?