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RPH · Post by **RPH** » Thu Sep 28, 2006 8:26 am

gunnare wrote:I noticed "Midi learn" and "Clear all" buttons. David Haupt's DH_Controlmeister A and B use those buttons. But it is possible that he has coded a similar module.

Hi gunnareskinn77,

Read back, i've checked all those modules..none are stolen or renamed.
Those MIDI learn modules were handcoded as well.

It's not like DH is the only one capable of coding these kind of MIDI modules..sigh.

Cya,
Rob.

ps : for anyone still wanting to flame about those renamed modules, let me quote Jeff M. himself.
He had the idea too, only lennard has done it on his own.

Quote from synthedit.com, section developerskit, SDK Documentation online :

..But there may be easier ways to provide that without complicated code. For example I am considering stripping out the module 'meta-data' (name, unique-id, plug list) during save-as-vst, and changing the module name to something generic (e.g. module_001.dll). That would make embedded sems unusuable to even the best cracker because they could not be identified, and if loaded into SE would show a blank name and zero plugs. The module would be of no use.

s4w2th · Post by **s4w2th** » Thu Sep 28, 2006 8:35 am

i hate long post

fred-hal · Post by **fred-hal** » Thu Sep 28, 2006 8:52 am

..then go then..

Benedict · Post by **Benedict** » Thu Sep 28, 2006 10:38 am

I tried it and it is certainly a 'warm' synth with a solid sound. Quite different to some of the more 'silky' synths in the same price range. I could be happy using this (if I didn't have no time and lot of synths af my own making).

Leonard i wish you well with this

ThomasLehmann · Post by **ThomasLehmann** » Thu Sep 28, 2006 1:02 pm

Hi Lennart,
you say that Sylenth1 is not just a regular synth and It can outperform plugins like Minimonsta, z3ta, Korg Polysix or Aturia's Minimoog...
sorry, but I do not agree with you. I have play around with the demo and my z3ta sounds better, specialy the high tones on the keyboard. And if Sylenth1 use all Osc simultanly the CPU is by 30 percent for 8 voices (in cubaseSX3). Thats not better anyway. Sorry, but thats my opinion.
TL.

DHR53 · Post by **DHR53** » Thu Sep 28, 2006 1:19 pm

So I guess the question is... will Lennert's fine synth make it in the big world of softsynths without the support of KVRers

Aural Chaos · Post by **Aural Chaos** » Thu Sep 28, 2006 2:24 pm

Shit KvR, I'd hoped you were above this behaviour...

SpIdErWeB · Post by **SpIdErWeB** » Thu Sep 28, 2006 7:29 pm

This thread is really boring me !

I precise : I have NO connection with this developper and plugin. I'm not Lennart or shilletc... I'm here since long time and just give my opinion sometimes.

I think, there's two discusion : The fact to use SE or not, and the price.

The fact to use SE or not : Personnaly, I don't care about this... I like plugin when they sound good... that's all ! I like Albino 3, Blue, Korg Legacy, Discovery, etc... etc... (I just name few)

If SE is used for GUI only or for everything... What's the deal ? The result is the most important for me. I'm NOT a developper, I know nothing in programming, etc... and personnaly I don't want to know anymore... I'm not programmer ... I'm musician. (I never try to know if it's a 100 ohm chip or 1000 ohm into the Moog anyway

)

The price ? Too high ? OK! There's plugins for everyone... Free to over $10000... Just choose it or not !

If you think this plugin is no good enough and too over-priced for you... don't buy it !

If you like it... buy it ! That's very a simple mind... I know, but I ever think like this.

i.e. : How many ppl has buy VSL ? Not a lot... why ? Because it's expensive... And a lot can be satisfy with EWQL SO, MOTU Symphonic Instruments, IK Philarmonik, etc... (just to name few).

That's not say that VSL is better and that others bad... or reverse think.

That's just say : Choose and buy the stuff you like and can afford.

If Sylenth 1 doen't enjoy, you dislike it, or like it but you think it's over-priced : Don't buy it... that's all !

But why "trash" the developper, the company or this plugin ?

I don't find real reason (except probably some jalousy)...

I repet me : I'm not connected to Lennart or shill...

I just like this plugin, and dislike this "welcoming" to this new-commer... (that's not really gentleman and fair-play)

my 0.02 cents

Bye
Spid

PS: And if you want to know if I have bought this plugin. No yet... I'm waiting to have some money (this month is for Pianoteq) but I will surely buy it the next month. There's no doubt (for me).

Kire · Post by **Kire** » Fri Sep 29, 2006 10:58 am

SpIdErWeB wrote:This thread is really boring me !

I precise : I have NO connection with this developper and plugin. I'm not Lennart or shilletc... I'm here since long time and just give my opinion sometimes.

I think, there's two discusion : The fact to use SE or not, and the price.

The fact to use SE or not : Personnaly, I don't care about this... I like plugin when they sound good... that's all ! I like Albino 3, Blue, Korg Legacy, Discovery, etc... etc... (I just name few)

If SE is used for GUI only or for everything... What's the deal ? The result is the most important for me. I'm NOT a developper, I know nothing in programming, etc... and personnaly I don't want to know anymore... I'm not programmer ... I'm musician. (I never try to know if it's a 100 ohm chip or 1000 ohm into the Moog anyway )

The price ? Too high ? OK! There's plugins for everyone... Free to over $10000... Just choose it or not !

If you think this plugin is no good enough and too over-priced for you... don't buy it !

If you like it... buy it ! That's very a simple mind... I know, but I ever think like this.

i.e. : How many ppl has buy VSL ? Not a lot... why ? Because it's expensive... And a lot can be satisfy with EWQL SO, MOTU Symphonic Instruments, IK Philarmonik, etc... (just to name few).

That's not say that VSL is better and that others bad... or reverse think.

That's just say : Choose and buy the stuff you like and can afford.

If Sylenth 1 doen't enjoy, you dislike it, or like it but you think it's over-priced : Don't buy it... that's all !

But why "trash" the developper, the company or this plugin ?

I don't find real reason (except probably some jalousy)...

I repet me : I'm not connected to Lennart or shill...

I just like this plugin, and dislike this "welcoming" to this new-commer... (that's not really gentleman and fair-play)

my 0.02 cents

Bye
Spid

PS: And if you want to know if I have bought this plugin. No yet... I'm waiting to have some money (this month is for Pianoteq) but I will surely buy it the next month. There's no doubt (for me).

I agree with you totally!

Kermit Jagger · Post by **Kermit Jagger** » Fri Sep 29, 2006 11:51 am

Ditto.

Finding that something is overpriced, in your opinion, doesn't justify trashing the dev or its product.

Some of you people need to control your temper.

kevvvvv · Post by **kevvvvv** » Fri Sep 29, 2006 3:17 pm

Kermit Jagger

Finding that something is overpriced, in your opinion, doesn't justify trashing the dev or its product.

oblagon · Post by **oblagon** » Fri Sep 29, 2006 10:05 pm

excellent synth ! completely out of synth edit league

munchkin · Post by **munchkin** » Fri Sep 29, 2006 10:44 pm

Sounds nice but too expensive. Don't care whether it's his perogative - it's mine to disagree.

Vonbrucken · Post by **Vonbrucken** » Fri Sep 29, 2006 11:03 pm

nice sounds the filters really makes me think of adventus one ( that i own )but there is something more , but does it justify the price for that new synth , well i am definitively waiting for a group buy

edit : well finally i would wait just for the filter

Lennard · Post by **Lennard** » Sat Sep 30, 2006 12:45 am

Dominus wrote:Like I said, it's a good sounding synth, and I came up with some decent sounds in the 5 minutes I played with it, but it's overpriced for someone new on the scene.

I think this line pretty much sums up the view of many others in this thread. And actually I'm starting to see why many thought so. The thing is, I seemed to be coming out of the blue with a new (and my first) synth, and I haven't even introduced myself. Nor did I explain any of the techniques I developed and used in this synth.

So let me tell you something about myself. As some of you probably already expected, I am definitely NOT a newcomer to the world of audio and DSP. I have an Masters degree in Electrotechnical Engineering, specialized in Digital Signal Processing and Acoustics. I have studied and worked well over 10 years on advanced projects like an improved multichannel active noise control algorithm and the inversion of acoustical impulse responses.

Next to that I love making music and sounds. I started producing about 15 years ago, and was very fascinated by the development of VST synths and effects. I have tried many many VSTs but had a hard time finding the perfect synth. I mean, there are a lot of good synths out there, but they all seemed to have a some kind of shortcoming. Some have nice filters, but too few options. Others have a great user-interface but bad sounding oscillators. Others have a nice overall sound but totally burn up the CPU. And so on..

So, quite naturally, I started my quest to design the perfect synth from ground up. I did a lot of research on current synthesis and effect techniques and started to improve them. I designed new algorithms and implemented and tested them in Matlab. After that I converted them to C++ code, optimized them and then re-implemented them using high performance Streaming SIMD Extensions.

I found that SynthEdit was a useful tool for testing individual effects and objects. My initial goal was to rebuild the whole synth using the VSTSDK afterwards, but I found that using SynthEdit as a shell for my modules hardly degraded performance anyway. So I decided to keep using it, mainly because it allowed easy graphical implementation of the user interface. There were some problems I had to tackle, like hacking around SE's voicemanagement system to override it with my own, but that seemed to be worth the trouble. Finally I changed the extension of SE's modules to add a little bit of extra security and to make it less obvious that it was made using SynthEdit (but that kind of backfired on me).

Face it, SynthEdit simply does not have a good reputation in the high-quality audio market, and that is not without reason. SynthEdit's standard modules and the available third party modules simply are not built for very high quality sound, nor for extremely high performance. Next to that, the majority of SynthEdit developers simply lack basic DSP knowledge or programming skills. So I don't think it's hard to understand that I didn't feel like shouting from the rooftops that I used SE in building this synth.

Anyway, that still leaves the question: Is Sylenth1 too expensive? Personally I think it's not, and it is, for a fact, definitely NOT the most expensive synth on the market. But everyone is entitled to have his own opinion ofcourse. If you think it's overpriced, that's fine.

Sure, I could have used SynthEdit's default modules and build the whole thing in just a few weeks. Then I would've asked like 30 bucks for it. But I didn't. I didn't want to create "just" another synth like those thousands of others out there, all with that same typical sound caused by the same modules or the same DSP algorithms from musicdsp.org everyone uses. So instead I spent well over a year of hard work to create a synth that is perfect in my opinion.

Then there were some people comparing it to synths like Adventus or Vanguard. Well I can only say: Try loading them all up in your host and really compare them. If you still don't notice any difference, then Sylenth1 simply is not a synth for you. Or maybe you do notice it, but you don't think it's worth the extra cost. That's perfectly fine with me, but you don't need to go trashing it (or me). That only shows your immaturity.

Anyway, I will be writing some things about the techniques I used in this synth, and put them on my website later, if anyone's interested.

And by the way, I'm also not new to KVR. I've been rambling on the developers forum before, using this account:
http://www.kvraudio.com/forum/search.ph ... or=BarendB

Hope that clears things up. And for the people who wrote nice things about my synth: Thanks a lot!

Cheers,
Lennard
www.lennardigital.com

LennarDigital Sylenth1