Non-scientific little poll. Vote with intuition.

[Kingston]

Anybody with high-end monitoring system listened trough these yet?

Yes.

Certainly out of my scope of "feeling" or "intuition", sorry. I noticed in the other thread you seemed to have a point about randomness and non-linearities vs. static things (although applied to visual world). I comprehensively fail to see how these examples deal with sound in that way.

And yet another criticism,

you seemed to have the idea that these tricks make things sound "like a record", glue etc. Yet, in the context of consumer sound system, there's absolutely no difference whatsoever. With that in mind, do these things matter? Who's your target audience?

I know we've disagreed on many production related things in the past, for various subjective reasons, but this time I completely fail to see the point.

Maybe I should've sent you a PM instead. I'm baffled to be honest.

[Zombie Queen]

The only difference I noticed is that B and C had more and more present and thick kick in it. I don't really like to be kicked in the ears too much so I voted A. The difference seems quite subtle to me. I've been listening on Audio Technica headphones.

[bmanic]

I know we've disagreed on many production related things in the past, for various subjective reasons, but this time I completely fail to see the point.

Maybe I should've sent you a PM instead. I'm baffled to be honest.

No, you just don't get it and I'm not going to explain to you either, not yet.

Btw, you do NOT qualify for high-end monitoring. Sorry chap (neither do I for that matter!).

Gona do some more experimentation and post in the Brad Blackwood pro-rec forum. I really do need an opinion also from high end systems (Nautilus 80x series, PCM's etc.)

Cheers!
bManic

[bmanic]

Oh, and as a clue: This is just one test in a series of experiments that I will run.

Cheers!
bManic

[herodotus]

Oh, and as a clue: This is just one test in a series of experiments that I will run.

Just out of curiosity: Why?

[kilroy]

C, all the way...somehow that phase inversion just put it over the top for me.

what is it you are hearing kilroy? Muddy ears want to know!

Well, for whatever reason, the C file's phase was inverted compared to A and B...a phase flip during processing, perhaps. Or maybe just Bmanic messing with us to see if we are paying attention.

Anyroad, C has a more "depthy" sound. Out of these samples it seems to have the more complex harmonic spectra. This would be consistant with the kind of effect you might expect from a good tube preamp. In my listening environment here, this file has more whip...dynamically I find it more interesting and engaging. A and B sound straighter...stiffer dynamics.

Of course, there is another way of looking at this. Perhaps C is the original file, and some processing done on A and B has resulted in a subjective "warmth" of sorts...a bit of non-linear grunge one might possibly perceive as extra "fatness".

[kilroy]

Oh, and Kingston...no worries, mate...you can go ahead and say it...kilroy's talking out his arse.

[Watto]

I voted the same as kilroy!!!

[YBaCuO]

On headphones, I cannot really tell a discernible difference than matters. (But B seemed to have a little more crispy high end).

YBaCuO

[ouroboros]

I voted the same as kilroy!!!

just to be clear- kilroy voted the same as me......

thanks for the explanation. I am trying to train my ears. or my brain. maybe both.


bmanic enough already, let us in on your secrets!!

[Watto]

I voted the same as ouroboros!!!



There you go, mate

[ouroboros]

I voted the same as ouroboros!!!



There you go, mate

even folk like me get lucky once n agin'.

[kilroy]

Chaps...of late, I have had waaay too many late nights trying to meet panic deadlines for people with what appears to be absolutely impossible expectations. I am swilling soooo much coffee to get through this that I feel like I get up to pee every 20 minutes. I have lowered myself to ringing up for pizza...that's devil's food...I'm a health and fitness buff. My water distiller broke down...the bloke that looks to correcting such events does not sympathize with the urgency of my plight...Oolong tea does not taste the same made without distilled water. Folks without panic deadlines ring up for a bit of a chat which I am sure they think thrills me to no end but in fact wastes my time and causes me to wish them ill...which is terrible, because I am really under the impression that I am not a bad chap.

All that to say...there is a distinct possibility that I could be right off my tits about all this lot.

[Watto]

Oh, well, it's not like I give a rat's arse.

[kenn]

Listening setup:

*Audiophile 2496soundcard

*old but decent Nikko reciever with a busted tuner, EQ flat except Bass at 1 o'clock, no loudness boost!

*JBL Control 1 mini monitors, really nearfield (either side of a 17" CRT monitor; yes Virginia, they're shielded speakers)

After a listening test of about 6 min...
Yes, I initially listened A-B-C first individually, then joined and looped the whole thing; a bit later I shuffled the order to see if I still felt the same.

A - a little spitty in the upper mid
B - wider stereo than A, especially the hats (nice hats, clean, but not realistic image) a touch toppier
C - a bit harder, punchier and edgier than A or B

A felt a bit lifeless compared to B&C. B felt a bit enhanced, especially the stereo width. C felt a bit harder, more to the gut. C is possibly a touch dirty (distortion), but not unpleasantly so...

I promised myself I'd vote fast and intuitively, and I voted C because it felt the strongest, closest to a mastered product. But as an element in a track, i'd probably consider it a bit too forward as such, at least till I'd had the chance to hear it in context.

From doing some relistening, I'm starting to prefer B a bit; maybe C is a bit fatiguing now. B still isn't "perfeck" though, I'd like to hear B but with a bit better definition and imaging.

Antway, there's an end of day, time for bed, 2 beers tired sort of subjective response