Eiosis AirEQ v1.3

[hitman8081]

i know this fabrice. and my rant was never directed at you. im just pissed at the new use of the word 'proessional' it seems as you pointed out anything marketed to be 'professional' needs to be very pricy and that pisses me off where the software market is heading. i used to buy software all the time.

spent over a thousand dollars over a few years. but this new 'pro' marketing title is just disturbing to be. and its not just the software market thats doing this its being done evrywhere. 'state of the art' 'breakthru' 'advancement of science' are just words to raise the value of an item.

So.. We both agree !

I tried to use some words that really means something when I talk about Eliosound and AirEQ. Maybe I also may not use the "professional" word. For me, professional is a word that means that the product is intended to be used by professional people.

But bad marketing took this word and transformed it into a cheap arguments, with other arguments like "analog modeled product", "many years of research", "outstanding quality", "super mega bass boost", etc..

Bad marketing is also slapping a GUI of some hardware gear and claiming that it IS EXACTLY like the original hardware. We are not in this bad marketing claims. Customers, professional or not, must be respected and must not be fooled with false arguments.
If you slap an hardware-like GUI, you can say for some products that : "it is rather close to the original thing", "it emulates many of the characteristics of the hardware", or "it reproduces this or this behaviour", etc..

I was in the AES convention, and meeting other plugin companies was really funny. Some people exactly know what their plugin does and does not, and other simply don't care about it. Or simply discover their plugin while I try to explain some issues to us (hey Roger.. I hope that you are not too angry against me ! ). Some people also found that AirEQ was no more than "a good marketing product", probably because they do the same way for their products.

For me, good marketing must reflect the real value of the product, and must represent what the product really is. But nowadays, it is not sufficient, because all these arguments are overused and lost their signification, like you pointed out. So we have to explain the things, and I find KVR to be a great place for that, because people here are aware of what is the truth, what is false advertisement. They simply want to understand and to test the things by themselves.

If everybody acted like this, bad marketing would not exist.


Fabrice,
Eliosound

you chose your words carefully i like you fabrice

[kylen]

you chose your words carefully i like you fabrice

Well then quit yackin and get your butt over to the group buy so we can all get this for $107 (US)...


I'm #23

AirEQ demo is sounding very good so far in Reaper, excellant in fact. I've got AirEQ sittin in there along side PLParEQ3, PSP MasterQ, Eqium, Firium, Kjaerhus GEQ-7, Voxengo LF-Max (to generate & EQ sub-bass) for comparison. You'll notice all of those EQs (except LF-Max - doesn't need it) allow seperate L/R tweaking (per our earlier conversation)!

It's too early to gush of AirEQ but it sounds damn fine already - I won't know till the project is finished but already it has been rather easy to tweak clarity back into a cassette transfer of a bluegrass band from the early 90's. Also I reread this thread and after getting to page 8 decided I liked the support and philosophy Eliosound has so I'm going to help support them and get in on the good "deal". The Group Buy helped push me over the edge along with some folks that mentioned the dongle doesn't hurt too bad, but the sound is really there also. I've got to learn it a lot better but this one will go into my top 5 list - or maybe top 3 list - for sure! Great job Eliosound!

[akisd28]

While I understand the inconvenience one might feel by having a dongle on his laptop, I must say that I'm pretty happy with both my Syncrosoft dongle and my iLok. Honestly, one shouldn't mind the dongle in regards to this brilliant EQ; smoother in the highs than any other EQ I have IMO, incl. UAD Precision EQ and Sony Oxford (at extreme settings).

[hitman8081]

this thing puts out imo some pretty dangerous frequncies to both the ears and the speakers.
even with the limiter on max a simple slip of the mouse would blow your cones. there wasnt any frequency/db readout? i had no idea what db or frequency i was at? the air it puts out is basily a high pass. i think the high pass goes sickinly crisp and the low pass extremly low. enough so that my ears hurt and my stomach is churning, i shit you not. the new in is loud/compression so people better add a serious brick wall limiter to there shoping list. i admit i didnt bother adding a compressor before the eq cause i knew it was a demo so take my comments with a grain of salt please using a high end eq with a freeware limiter and no compressor is a disaster waitng to happen. im sure with pro gear you would get super awsome results

[omissis]

But bad marketing took this word and transformed it into a cheap arguments, with other arguments like "analog modeled product", "many years of research", "outstanding quality", "super mega bass boost", etc..

Bad marketing is also slapping a GUI of some hardware gear and claiming that it IS EXACTLY like the original hardware. We are not in this bad marketing claims. Customers, professional or not, must be respected and must not be fooled with false arguments.
If you slap an hardware-like GUI, you can say for some products that : "it is rather close to the original thing", "it emulates many of the characteristics of the hardware", or "it reproduces this or this behaviour", etc..

Hmm....sounds like nothing new for you and me? Thinking about past experiences...anyway I agree with you: it doesn't help a lot to have the exterior of a Ferrari if you know that the car has the engine of a Lada....I heard at the demos, still brilliant and still not so affordable to me , not in this moment...I'm still trying to come across some ringmodulator issues with my fav synth ( Xavier knows! )

[Eiosis]

You'll notice all of those EQs (except LF-Max - doesn't need it) allow seperate L/R tweaking (per our earlier conversation)!

Ok Ok.. You'll have it as soon as possible !! In fact the main issue for this feature is that we have to adapt the GUI to make it available. Or if you have any other idea..
But now that you are a customer, you are our new god !

I've got to learn it a lot better but this one will go into my top 5 list - or maybe top 3 list - for sure! Great job Eliosound!

Wow.. Thanks !

this thing puts out imo some pretty dangerous frequncies to both the ears and the speakers. [...] i think the high pass goes sickinly crisp and the low pass extremly low. enough so that my ears hurt and my stomach is churning, i shit you not. the new in is loud/compression so people better add a serious brick wall limiter to there shoping list.

Some settings could be extreme, so with some material it could be very loud.. But these settings are needed if you have some material which needs these kind of settings. I often need extreme settings in the bass range to correct bass drum resonances, or extreme high boosting for a track which sounds very dull.
With an analog EQ, it's difficult to have this kind of setting because you reach very fastly the power supply voltage limitations. With digital, you do not have any level limitation, except for the output level, where digital clipping may occur. So you have to be careful when you tweak your sound !

Hmm....sounds like nothing new for you and me? Thinking about past experiences...anyway I agree with you: it doesn't help a lot to have the exterior of a Ferrari if you know that the car has the engine of a Lada....I heard at the demos, still brilliant and still not so affordable to me , not in this moment...I'm still trying to come across some ringmodulator issues with my fav synth ( Xavier knows! )

Hey Max ? How are you ? I know.. Eliosound was born from these past experiences.. I hope that these ring modulator issues will be solved.. Because it is also one of my favorite synth !


Fabrice,
Eliosound

[olzzon]

Fabrice, i don't know if you didn't see my former post, where i asked if it was possible to have mousewheel support for adjusting the parameter/button under the mousecursor, it's really a great way to work, much more fader like than the click'n drag type of adjustment.
It's just a feature request, but for me it would be a very great feature.

Btw, as i see it, the big difference of freeware and something i pay for, is that i have a place to go if somethings not working. And it'll get fixed fast. That's something i'll rate very high, and something i gladly pay for. Simply because people pays me to do a job, and expect my equipment to work.
I really agree with fabrice, that for a pro user, the quality and support is way more important than the price, and support simply cost money.

[hitman8081]

Some settings could be extreme, so with some material it could be very loud.. But these settings are needed if you have some material which needs these kind of settings. I often need extreme settings in the bass range to correct bass drum resonances, or extreme high boosting for a track which sounds very dull.
With an analog EQ, it's difficult to have this kind of setting because you reach very fastly the power supply voltage limitations. With digital, you do not have any level limitation, except for the output level, where digital clipping may occur. So you have to be careful when you tweak your sound !
Fabrice,
Eliosound

hi fabrice, i just want to confirm im no amature producer im told all the time that im "better then most bedroom producers" and because i know alot about eqing i was able to test some extreme frequencies but, the knobs are very very smooth. and when eqing for bass, it was very dificult to determine where the 8-10 db level was. as a person that moniters frequncy read out as much by ear (because these frequcies are scientifly proven) i think lack of a frequcny read out is a bad idea. could you have been trying to be so inovative that eventualy it will turn out to be counter productive? i dont have that answer. but i can see a few cones being blown in the future because of the extreme sliperyness of the knobs. i say that as a person with no animosity to yuor company.
again. i do confirm this eq is very professional but its not for begginers. if your gonna get dirty with this eq you better have a good limiter

[olzzon]

hi fabrice, i just want to confirm im no amature producer im told all the time that im "better then most bedroom producers" and because i know alot about eqing i was able to test some extreme frequencies but, the knobs are very very smooth. and when eqing for bass, it was very dificult to determine where the 8-10 db level was. as a person that moniters frequncy read out as much by ear (because these frequcies are scientifly proven) i think lack of a frequcny read out is a bad idea. could you have been trying to be so inovative that eventualy it will turn out to be counter productive? i dont have that answer. but i can see a few cones being blown in the future because of the extreme sliperyness of the knobs. i say that as a person with no animosity to yuor company.
again. i do confirm this eq is very professional but its not for begginers. if your gonna get dirty with this eq you better have a good limiter

In options you can set view Freq.valules on.

[hitman8081]

hi fabrice, i just want to confirm im no amature producer im told all the time that im "better then most bedroom producers" and because i know alot about eqing i was able to test some extreme frequencies but, the knobs are very very smooth. and when eqing for bass, it was very dificult to determine where the 8-10 db level was. as a person that moniters frequncy read out as much by ear (because these frequcies are scientifly proven) i think lack of a frequcny read out is a bad idea. could you have been trying to be so inovative that eventualy it will turn out to be counter productive? i dont have that answer. but i can see a few cones being blown in the future because of the extreme sliperyness of the knobs. i say that as a person with no animosity to yuor company.
again. i do confirm this eq is very professional but its not for begginers. if your gonna get dirty with this eq you better have a good limiter

In options you can set view Freq.valules on.

ah. you enlighten me with your presence earlier i read on the home site that air eq was an eq for ear monitoring. carry on

[Eiosis]

What the hell is a "decrampled" curve?

In fact the term is "decramped", but there is a mistake on the website..
De-cramped means that the warping of standard digital filter is corrected, on the website a decramped algorithm stands for an Orfanidis algorithm. So a decramped curve is not matched with an analog curve, but is closer to an analog curve than a standard digital filter.
I have to correct the mistake also in the images.

Fabrice, have you thought of the possibilities to have the scrollwheel adjusting whats beneath the mouse cursor. This is a very nice way IMO, it's easier to listen while you just scrolling on the wheel, a bit more like a real button or a real fader. And less clicking is being done.
Some probably don't like it, i've got used to it in reaper, and somehow i feel it way more musical, than clicking and dragging.

I agree...I love using the scrollwheel on eqs. i can concentrate on the sound more intently than when i'm dragging the mouse and it's easier on the hand.

Fabrice, i don't know if you didn't see my former post, where i asked if it was possible to have mousewheel support for adjusting the parameter/button under the mousecursor,

Yes, I saw your post, but since I was in the AES convention, I am a bit late for KVR answers.. But be sure that I read all the posts here, and even if my response is late, there will be a response !
Mousewheel is already supported in some hosts, like Cubase for example, but with other hosts or formats (AU for example) it does not work. Some hosts may also not transmit the mousewheel information to the plugins. Anyway, we'll look at these points for the next AirEQ update !

Btw, as i see it, the big difference of freeware and something i pay for, is that i have a place to go if somethings not working. And it'll get fixed fast. That's something i'll rate very high, and something i gladly pay for. Simply because people pays me to do a job, and expect my equipment to work.
I really agree with fabrice, that for a pro user, the quality and support is way more important than the price, and support simply cost money.

And as a company, we have to implement all the features requested by the users if it is possible, even if a feature will be used only by a few people. And we thought and designed AirEQ to be a tool suited to as much as possible workflows.. Let us a little time to make this feature available, we are very busy at the moment, but I think that we will release an update very soon.


Fabrice,
Eliosound

[kylen]

Well OK - I guess it's gush time...
AirEQ has really nice control, great sound and UI. I've got a piece of a cassette transcribe I'm working on and finally after all these years, after getting a nice sound and fine tuning a bit I'm listening to the performance and music instead of thinking about the crappy sound that I'll never get right. There are other plugs in the chain from time to time - some I mentioned earlier - but I think I've got the icing now! Even if it's just the demo.

It's a fast tweak, great sound and I sure don't have the control and volume spike problems the other gentleman is having - don't need a limiter on this thing - it's smooth sailing over here!

[Eiosis]

Is it possible to transfer the licenses onto the same Syncrosoft dongle so you don't need 2 at the same time? - I just got Arturia Prophet 5 and was wondering about having them both on the same key - or do they charge for such things?

Yes, you can !
In fact a Syncrosoft dongle can handle many licences. And this kind of licence transfer can be done directly with the Syncrosoft Licence Control Center, obsiously for free ! But I beleive that all licence transferts are recorded on the Syncrosoft servers, so you may have to be connected to the internet.

I know you have this option when you purchase but I already have the dongled version. I was wondering if the syncrosoft license manager lets you transfer licenses too - I haven't really explored it as yet.

Yes, absolutely.


Fabrice,
Eliosound

[Eiosis]

hi fabrice, [...] as a person that moniters frequncy read out as much by ear (because these frequcies are scientifly proven) i think lack of a frequcny read out is a bad idea.

You got your answer, thanks olzzon !!

Anyway, hiding displays may be useful sometimes. I try personnaly to hide the values as often as possible, because I don't want to fool my ears with frequencies that I beleive "to be good" for the result I want to obtain. It is the same story that with the graphical curve display : the more you work with your ears first, the more you REALLY listen to the music.


Fabrice,
Eliosound

[OMU]

I think it's a good idea. If you want to take a by ear aproach you certainly can do. If not, just select the adequate option.