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Meffy · Post by **Meffy** » Sat Oct 21, 2006 7:13 pm

Amberience wrote:Why is this in instruments anyway??

Good catch. Moved to Effects.

herodotus · Post by **herodotus** » Sat Oct 21, 2006 7:22 pm

shamann wrote: Some engineer-type coming in and reducing all human perception to meaningless sampling theorem-related gibberish in a series of mostly half-truths, and then getting upset that the others can't keep up.

True, but I just can't duplicate their language.

The peculiar mixture of misused jargon and in-your-face rudeness, combined with a near-total absence of articles, prepositions and conjunctions is beyond my meager linguistic skills to imitate.

shamann · Post by **shamann** » Sat Oct 21, 2006 7:25 pm

Lunch Money · Post by **Lunch Money** » Sat Oct 21, 2006 7:26 pm

$82 per plug-in is kind of misleading math. The bottom line is still $7,500.

And are you actually going to USE all 91 plug-ins? How many of those are compressors, from which you'll pick your 1 or 2 favourites? How many of them are EQ plug-ins, some of which are "less full-featured versions" that have been offered at various points in time, when the fully-full-on-full version still does everything those other ones do, and more.

$7,500... man... that's a LOT of bean burritos.

bduffy · Post by **bduffy** » Sat Oct 21, 2006 7:31 pm

herodotus wrote:A summary of what is to follow:

'Waves Suck'

'Most people who say Waves sucks have never worked in high end studios. Theres a reason that they are what the Big Boys use'.

'Yeah, because they are expensive and people buy into the "if it costs more it must be better mentality" And I have all kinds of pro projects I am working on!'

'So You are saying that all of those industry pros are dupes? Gimme a break! If you are so much smarter, why aren't you working in a high end studio? Oh right, all of those 'pro projects' you are working on. '

'High end studios spend other peoples money. If those guys had to shell out from their own pockets it would be a different story. Voxengo and Kjaerhus are every bit as good as Waves, better in fact, with much better support. And f**k you!'

'Well, you get what you pay for. You can either use what the pros use or what a bunch of internet forum geeks tell you to use'

Etc, etc, etc,

Did I miss anything?

shamann wrote:
Herodotus wrote:Did I miss anything?
The tidy summary skits thrown in for comic relief.

The openly hostile name calling, with little actual mention of Waves.

Some engineer-type coming in and reducing all human perception to meaningless sampling theorem-related gibberish in a series of mostly half-truths, and then getting upset that the others can't keep up.

The off topic sideshow about kittens, warez, fish, dogs, handbags, the poor nations/people of the world and what it's like to work in big commercial studios.

But other than that, spot on.

And that's where this thread should end. But it won't.

shamann · Post by **shamann** » Sat Oct 21, 2006 7:33 pm

Lunch Money wrote:$82 per plug-in is kind of misleading math...$7,500... man... that's a LOT of bean burritos.

Of course, but if you needed one plugin for every function and didn't want to futz about with trying a lot of demos, that isn't a bad route to take. Of course, they aren't exactly aimed at hobbiests, so we're talking folk who want them in a commercial context.

It is a ridiculously high number of effects, but I have way more effects installed than that covering all categories several times, and it has taken years to find/demo them.

Lunch Money · Post by **Lunch Money** » Sat Oct 21, 2006 7:35 pm

Fish.

shamann · Post by **shamann** » Sat Oct 21, 2006 7:50 pm

Lunch Money wrote:Fish.

In your bean burrito? No wonder you're so upset.
This can all be boiled down to the fallacy that recalculating your fish at Nyquist benefits in a pleasing manner the DAC of your bean burrito. If you racalculate your bean burrito using a steep filter both before and after the DAC....

MegaMisted · Post by **MegaMisted** » Sat Oct 21, 2006 7:54 pm

Lunch Money wrote:How many of those are compressors, from which you'll pick your 1 or 2 favourites? How many of them are EQ plug-ins, some of which are "less full-featured versions" that have been offered at various points in time, when the fully-full-on-full version still does everything those other ones do, and more.

spot on.

this really piss me off...

all those "VERSIONS" of same plugin with diferent name and abit diference features TOTALLY CONFUSING! make me think they aint sure bythemself if they do good or not...

wtf L1 L2 L3...

i dont think someone still use L1 once he got L2 or L3
as well as the compressorz and eqz...u use only one mostly..

the price is one thing, the impression is another thing. > as i see it the owner knows his tech better then us. i want to see videos, i want to see much more high quality typical presets and creative presets.

hmm...

MegaMisted · Post by **MegaMisted** » Sat Oct 21, 2006 7:59 pm

just to add

whats the diference between L1 L2 & L3
And why would i want to use L1 ?!

please tell me
confused customer

Amberience · Post by **Amberience** » Sat Oct 21, 2006 8:00 pm

Can't you ask the guys in the irc chatroom that you got the plugins from?

jupiter8 · Post by **jupiter8** » Sat Oct 21, 2006 8:03 pm

If they're so bloody expensive and so bloody useless why do you care so much ? Just don't buy the damn plugins and be done with it.

Stop making an ass out of yourself. You only look like an idiot with this whining.

Meffy · Post by **Meffy** » Sat Oct 21, 2006 8:03 pm

MegaMisted wrote:whats the diference between L1 L2 & L3
And why would i want to use L1 ?!

If you value stability, L5 or L4 are the ones you want to use.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lagrangian_point

Toxikator · Post by **Toxikator** » Sat Oct 21, 2006 8:05 pm

The thing about Waves is that any plugin is only as good as its algorithm. Waves plugins just plain sound good.

The real argument is not whether they sound good. It's whether they sound $700 better than Blockfish.

Waves, like ProTools, is a capable and powerful bunch of software. And Waves, like ProTools, knows that people who don't know any better because they'be been in front of a Neve for the last 35 years will spend $40,000 on a collection of host and plugin software with a shiny white interface and a lot of mumbo jumbo about sampling rates and digital accuracy depth, with words like "punch", "warmth", "roundness", "transparency", and "high-resolution sound engine".

These arguments will inevitably degenerate into "Waves Sucks" arguments. That's not fair. If you had more money than you knew how to spend, you'd obviously invest in some Waves plugins. They're powerful, full-featured, and they come with their own special brand of "sound-good-ifying" algorithm.

A good tech can do good with the freebies and the Voxengos and Kjaerhus's. A hardware engineer whose knowledge of "compression" consists of "twist this knob to make the good come out" can't do that so easily. Or at least, they'd rather have Waves do it for them. And they'd pay for it.

The ultimate measure is really just whether or not you think the results coming out of your system are good. Don't chalk a shitty mix up to "I need me some Waves plugins". If you listen to your track and go "man, that EQ just isn't doing what it needs to", then it's time for a change. meanwhile, just go with what you've got, refine your skills, and you'll one day come to find that maybe one Waves Compressor or EQ is all you need. And that's only if you think it sounds $700 better than Blockfish

Meffy · Post by **Meffy** » Sat Oct 21, 2006 8:06 pm

Oh, and so as not to disappoint the prophets who foretold exactly this:

why waves plugins cost that dam much ? i dont get it