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krank · Post by **krank** » Tue Oct 17, 2006 10:26 pm

Several people have recommended this.

What's the 'Hilbert' control do?

krank · Post by **krank** » Sun Oct 22, 2006 3:41 pm

bmanic · Post by **bmanic** » Sun Oct 22, 2006 3:58 pm

I have absolutely no idea.. but maybe look up hilbert transform in google?

It surely sounds a bit different with it on, a bit "smooth" somehow. I don't know. You can hear it when you use short attack and release times.

EDIT: here is what Wikipedia has to say.

Cheers!
bManic

shamann · Post by **shamann** » Sun Oct 22, 2006 4:06 pm

I can't say for sure what it does in the compressor, but I'll guess it applies some kind of a phase shift to the signal.

Henke · Post by **Henke** » Sun Oct 22, 2006 5:57 pm

I guess it uses some hilbert transform filter to perform 90 degree phase-shift for the envelope detector. In short, the trick is to sum the (rectified) detector signal with the 90 degree phase-shifted version of itself, to minimize the envelope ripple for low frequencies. Envelope ripples modulates the signal being compressed, causing distortion.

bmanic · Post by **bmanic** » Sun Oct 22, 2006 7:20 pm

Awesome, thanks for the info!

cymatics · Post by **cymatics** » Mon Oct 23, 2006 1:53 am

I was wondering this the other day... so I googled "mjcompressor" + "hilbert" & found this comment on the REAPER forums archive:

throw the "hilbert" on for some extra low settings of attack and release without distortion

http://www.cockos.com/forum/archive/ind ... t-442.html

kylen · Post by **kylen** » Mon Oct 23, 2006 2:22 am

"Kick in the 'Hilbert Overthruster' boys" he said with an evil sparkle in his eye, "and don't look back!". [outtake from Bukaroo Bonzaii - or maybe it was that Johhny Cash movie]

krank · Post by **krank** » Mon Oct 23, 2006 2:39 pm

Yes, thanks a lot for helping. I must admit I've mostly used Blockfish before, and the added controls here are confusing me. I find it hard to dial in anything with real punch. But this plug is worth spending time with?

Richard Lichten · Post by **Richard Lichten** » Mon Oct 23, 2006 3:56 pm

well, honestly, though its a nice one, but in the freeware realm i'd go with vanilla compressor, its in the league of the best commercial offers.

bmanic · Post by **bmanic** » Mon Oct 23, 2006 7:58 pm

krank wrote:Yes, thanks a lot for helping. I must admit I've mostly used Blockfish before, and the added controls here are confusing me. I find it hard to dial in anything with real punch. But this plug is worth spending time with?

Define punch? MjCompressor can certainly create punch if you want to. Just use long enough attack times (sometimes even absurd times like 500ms or more).

Cheers!
bManic

bmanic · Post by **bmanic** » Mon Oct 23, 2006 8:02 pm

Richard Lichten wrote:well, honestly, though its a nice one, but in the freeware realm i'd go with vanilla compressor, its in the league of the best commercial offers.

MjCompressor easily fits into the commercial league as well. It's just very different from vanilla compressor (actually IMHO it's far superior too). Biggest problem is that it eats CPU like crazy and can be too 'smooth' for certain applications.

Think of it this way, MjCompressor is more like the Sonalksis plugin, smooth, even at extreme settings. Vanilla compressor is more like a typical VST compressor plugin (reminds me a bit of the timeworks compressor X thingy), agressive, plain, but at relatively high quality (that is, low distortion).

Cheers!
bManic

Richard Lichten · Post by **Richard Lichten** » Tue Oct 24, 2006 10:14 am

Ah, i didn't test out the new version. This one is really good, but CPU usage is much too high.
Regarding Vanilla: it really behaves similiar than Sonic Timeworks, but sounds a bit smmother. I had the ST comp on Scope, which sounded better than the DX equivalent - unfortunatly, i have nothing seen in VST land which comes close to Scope Compressors (especially Vinco and the De-Vice one)...and here, on MJ, one sees the reason - it would use too much CPU still.

kilroy · Post by **kilroy** » Wed Oct 25, 2006 1:41 am

bmanic wrote:Vanilla compressor is more like a typical VST compressor plugin (reminds me a bit of the timeworks compressor X thingy), agressive, plain, but at relatively high quality (that is, low distortion).

Always had a soft spot for that Timeworks CompX.

Funny thing about that plug...when I first gave it a go, I noticed that the SOFT/HARD knee transfer functions were reversed. Choosing the SOFT knee actually gave you a hard knee curve, and choosing the HARD knee, in fact, gave you the soft knee transfer.

Was always a bit of a lark to me that no one else seemed to notice this...not even the developer, apparently.

krank · Post by **krank** » Fri Feb 23, 2007 3:11 pm

I've used the MJcompressor a bit more, even on 2-bus. It does sound pretty good to me. Think anyone could be bothered to skin it and port it to UB for good measure? I'll mail Magnus about it, but expect him to have lots of other stuff to spend his time on.

Thread is about half a year old, but I'd rather bump it than start a new without the advice already given here.

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