why waves plugins cost that dam much ? i dont get it

[beej]

Voxengo geq overtone is great freeware, nyquist is great freeware eq, plpareq is much better then waves and it was free at one time.Then theres IIEQ and posifopit.These eq's are close to/good as/ or better then waves.

That's fine if you only care about PC, but those, or at least most of them are not cross-platform, and limited to certain formats, whereas the Waves stuff works across virtually all the plugin formats on both Mac and PC, as as such is very useful.

Like I said earleir, there isn't a *direct* replacement for much of the Waves stuff - alternatives sure, but no direct replacements, and as such, Waves plugs definitely have their place. And I still find the RenComp and RenVox to be quite unique sounding, considering their low processor footprint.

[MegaMisted]

This Z noise is just another example of waves confusing me...

so now they gonna sale x-noise and z-noise...
wtf...

flooders??
it looks like spam -.-

just upgrade x-noise!!!

[thecontrolcentre]

Sheeeesh.... Waves seems like good value compared to my h/w now.

[sounddesigner]

Voxengo geq overtone is great freeware, nyquist is great freeware eq, plpareq is much better then waves and it was free at one time.Then theres IIEQ and posifopit.These eq's are close to/good as/ or better then waves.

That's fine if you only care about PC, but those, or at least most of them are not cross-platform, and limited to certain formats, whereas the Waves stuff works across virtually all the plugin formats on both Mac and PC, as as such is very useful.

Like I said earleir, there isn't a *direct* replacement for much of the Waves stuff - alternatives sure, but no direct replacements, and as such, Waves plugs definitely have their place. And I still find the RenComp and RenVox to be quite unique sounding, considering their low processor footprint.

Good points! definitely ones i can't argue against, waves do come in every plugin formatt and are on both mac and pc platforms, and rencomp is well loved by many, I did'nt find rcomp that great personally but i do see alot of people love it (maybe i'll even try it again, especially since it's one of their cheaper plugs ).

[MegaMisted]

Voxengo geq overtone is great freeware, nyquist is great freeware eq, plpareq is much better then waves and it was free at one time.Then theres IIEQ and posifopit.These eq's are close to/good as/ or better then waves.

That's fine if you only care about PC, but those, or at least most of them are not cross-platform, and limited to certain formats, whereas the Waves stuff works across virtually all the plugin formats on both Mac and PC, as as such is very useful.

Like I said earleir, there isn't a *direct* replacement for much of the Waves stuff - alternatives sure, but no direct replacements, and as such, Waves plugs definitely have their place. And I still find the RenComp and RenVox to be quite unique sounding, considering their low processor footprint.

Good points! definitely ones i can't argue against, waves do come in every plugin formatt and are on both mac and pc platforms, and rencomp is well loved by many, I did'nt find rcomp that great personally but i do see alot of people love it (maybe i'll even try it again, especially since it's one of their cheaper plugs ).

basiclly it is just another comressor that do the same job as all the others cheap compressors...nothing special that i found yet..

[beej]

Of course, people's mileage will vary, but there's something about it I really like, and I haven't found a similar character in anything else I've tried (not that I care too much, I'm happy with my RenComp thanks very much ).

The only stuff I have that trounces it is the UAD stuff, which is in another league entirely, but short of those, I'm really fond of the Ren stufff (and Doubler - the Musician's Bundle 2 rocks muchly for the moola!)

[bduffy]

Of course, people's mileage will vary, but there's something about it I really like, and I haven't found a similar character in anything else I've tried (not that I care too much, I'm happy with my RenComp thanks very much ).

The only stuff I have that trounces it is the UAD stuff, which is in another league entirely, but short of those, I'm really fond of the Ren stufff (and Doubler - the Musician's Bundle 2 rocks muchly for the moola!)

Definitely agree with you there: the Doubler is worth the $150 tag alone.

[maxhodges1]

but it's still a multiband expander, erm, "reconceptualized"

You could argue that a Ferrari is still just an internal combustion engine, that a Krell is just a power amplifier, or that an iPod is still just an MP3 player. But algorithms, design and features can make a decisive difference, even if other products are based on the same fundamental principles. The iPod's innovative interface makes it a blockbuster. Likewise innovative methods of transient preservation etc make Z-Noise without peer.

The original poster wanted to know why Waves stuff costs so much. I guess you're of the opinion that the market is saturated with equilivant tools which cost much less and that Waves is just riding a wave of brand recognition and loyalty. In my opinion, there simply isn't another product that delivers what Z-Noise does, so they can charge whatever they want as there is no competition. (Sorry, I'm not intimate with other Waves products.)

So I guess there isn't a consensus here (Sorry we couldn't be more helpful!). The best thing to do would probably be to try the demos and determine for yourself if these products are a cut above the rest. I see their Gold Native Bundle has 24 audio processing tools for $975 at Zzounds...that's about $40 per tool, which doesn't seem too unreasonable. It costs a lot of money to develop a product and run a company (I'm a small business owner myself) and these are not mass market products like Word Processors. A lot of other plug-ins are just not produced very well and often get abandoned by their creators never to be patched or updated again.

I think we all benefit from companies like Waves though...as innovations created there are likely to filter down into the mid/low market products, not unlike how technology created for the race track eventually becomes a part of production cars and motorcycles.

Cheers!

[hibidy]

but now, a much more hateful word "fag" is used consistantly (certainly not just this thread)

what's up with that?

What's wrong with it ? It means cigarette does'nt it ?
And as i have a nicotin addiction i did'nt particulary mind it.

Ok...........

nevermind

[arakula]

The best thing to do would probably be to try the demos and determine for yourself if these products are a cut above the rest.

Not so easy, since their newest demos only work with an iLok dongle. I don't have an iLok dongle, and I surely won't acquire one just to test a DEMO for ONE WEEK. I think that this is a very unfortunate move.

[bleebsen]

but it's still a multiband expander, erm, "reconceptualized"

You could argue that a Ferrari is still just an internal combustion engine, that a Krell is just a power amplifier, or that an iPod is still just an MP3 player. (...)

I wasn't trying to put down waves. X-Noise works very well, so probably Z-Noise works even better. It's just that the stuff they write about it on their homepage (which you pointed me at) isn't really telling me in what way.

And for the car metaphore: a Ferrari and a Skoda will deliver exactly the same result: they take you from Point A to point B. And that's kinda what I was implying about other noise reduction tools. You might get the same result, but have a harder ride getting there.

[Zaphod (giancarlo)]

And for the car metaphore: a Ferrari and a Skoda will deliver exactly the same result: they take you from Point A to point B.

Sorry, I disagree very much.
Skoda takes you from point A to point B
Ferrari MOVES beautiful girls from point B to your home, point A. You don't need to drive for getting this

[Lunch Money]

Point A to Point B arguments only work when Point A is the same result. If the end product is exactly identical, fine. You get to decide if "the way to get there" is important. But when the end product is NOT identical (in this case, altered audio), then the method of getting to point A to point B becomes an issue again.

[kritikon]

Skoda takes you from point A to point B
Ferrari MOVES beautiful girls from point B to your home, point A. You don't need to drive for getting this

The strange thing is...there's probably more room for shagging in a Skoda than there is in a Ferrari.

[beej]

Just less opportunity