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Dominus · Post by **Dominus** » Wed Oct 25, 2006 10:24 pm

What are your objections to Sonar's EULA?

bullshark · Post by **bullshark** » Wed Oct 25, 2006 10:26 pm

.jon wrote: I use REAPER for audio to complement eXT, but really like fandango said, help is always available in eXT forums.

.jon

I know .jon, great helpfull community there; but there are so many things I don't understand that it would probably be a lot easier and faster to post my project there and have them do it that for them to try to explain to me how

bullshark · Post by **bullshark** » Wed Oct 25, 2006 10:33 pm

IIRs wrote:Tracktion 3

If it works at least as well as T1 I probably will, depending on what year it comes out and what I'm working with at the time. If it doesn't work any better than T2 did here, no way.

bullshark · Post by **bullshark** » Wed Oct 25, 2006 10:35 pm

Toxikator wrote:You're in a mess there. You've ruled out just about every sequencer short of Logic and Pro Tools.

I was affraid of that

bullshark · Post by **bullshark** » Wed Oct 25, 2006 10:56 pm

Lance wrote:Have you tried Babya Logic already?

I'm doomed, am I

bullshark · Post by **bullshark** » Wed Oct 25, 2006 11:14 pm

Dominus wrote:What are your objections to Sonar's EULA?

The license is not transferable. I don't mind those terms when we're talking about a $10.00 shareware program, I would never bother to transfer anyway, but a $700.00 US license? I'll be dead before I encourage this type of corporate behavior...

jens · Post by **jens** » Wed Oct 25, 2006 11:26 pm

IIRs wrote:Tracktion 3

my XT2 beats the shit out of your T3

IIRs · Post by **IIRs** » Wed Oct 25, 2006 11:42 pm

jens wrote:
IIRs wrote:Tracktion 3

my XT2 beats the shit out of your T3

In your dreams boy

jens · Post by **jens** » Wed Oct 25, 2006 11:44 pm

IIRs wrote:
jens wrote:
IIRs wrote:Tracktion 3

my XT2 beats the shit out of your T3
In your dreams boy

yes, indeed - that was my point!

(probably to cleverly made for you to grap it though...

)

IIRs · Post by **IIRs** » Thu Oct 26, 2006 12:00 am

Oh right, was that a joke? You germans still need to work on that sense of humour I think...

grymmjack · Post by **grymmjack** » Thu Oct 26, 2006 12:04 am

bullshark wrote: eXT: I own it, used it for a year and I still don't understand it. I have less problems understanding Cubarse than XT...

I know this is going to sound pompous, but believe me it's not. You need to get to know eXT. One thing that helps is to find a skin that you like. For a long time I just settled on the default, but now I'm using RubberLAI as it gives me a very different feel of the app. I know it sounds pretty goofy, but before I found a skin I liked (and for some reason never bothered with this particular branis skin I love now) I didn't really find eXT friendly.

After that, the main thing to do is use it and use it and use it. You will only learn it if you use it. The hardest part about learning eXT is that it uses some UI conventions that are innovative in ways that other programs aren't and in ways that although innovative, aren't very intuitive unless you KNOW them (RTFM though for sure).

Like: clicking the elipsis (the ...) to the right of the file menu, and choosing "New Sequencer" will create a docked sequencer for you and connect it up. Before that I was just putting things inside of the eXT main root window and connecting everything manually. Yeah I never really went to the "..." menu because I thought "that must be the recent file list" because it was adjacent to "File" and other programs use this convention.

Like: once inside of eXT sequencer to set the loop points you use left AND right mouse button on the timeline rule, the left button to set the start and the right to set the end. Not immediately obvious and for f**king weeks I was clicking always with left mouse and driving myself absolutely apeshit with frustration

Like: to insert a instrument you first create a MIDI track then right click the track name area and choose "Add..." then VST, etc. Other programs handle this differently, I like eXT's way but it wasn't something I'd think to "add" (though it makes sense now that I understand it, it didn't when I was looking at it first).

Like: to add an effect you do it with a little button on the inserted instrument or audio track.

Like: how the hell to recall/open the UI for effect inserts that are tied to instruments. Double click the label, but it's not obvious that it is something you'd need to double click, and since there is an (e) next to the instrument, it is suggestion to the user that there will always be (e)'s near things that can be (e)dited...

This is just the beginning of a long list, but you get the point. These aren't bad things, in fact, it's just fine once you know, but if you don't take the time to learn you will never know and never understand things.

I fought it for a long time then I decided to just start doing it, and using it regularly and now that I have I can't believe how freaking good it is and how versatile and blah blah blah...

It's not perfect, but it definitely is worthy of your attention if you haven't given it a proper helping yet. You already own it. Just do something with it. Start twiddling. The main thing that confused me was I was NOT using a sequencer

I had just dragged shit out onto the desk and connected away and wondered WTF I had to insert a piano roll component to make some music and WTF ______ ... you get the point.

Give it a chance. I haven't yet gotten into the audio side of things yet (I like me some T2 for audio so I do) but I understand it's just as minimalistically simple and good.

Good luck deciding. Whatever you decide though you need to give it enough time and use or you are selling yourself short and wasting time.

Cap'n Spanky · Post by **Cap'n Spanky** » Thu Oct 26, 2006 12:09 am

bullshark wrote:
Dominus wrote:What are your objections to Sonar's EULA?
The license is not transferable. I don't mind those terms when we're talking about a $10.00 shareware program, I would never bother to transfer anyway, but a $700.00 US license? I'll be dead before I encourage this type of corporate behavior...

Cakewalk does not have any dongle or invasive copy protection scheme. They choose to spend their research dollars on better features and not on crack proofing their software. I'm sure they don't want to spend a bunch of money and resourses tracking the transfer of user licenses and they're probably not set up to do that.

Generally, people don't buy a sequencer with the intention of reselling it anyway. I know there are exceptions.

I just had a BIG hassle over the past few days dealing with dongle issues between Cubase SX 3 and Amplitube 2. The issues are still not resolved!!

I've never had any kind of problem like that with Cakewalk. If it comes down to a choice between dongles and/or invasive copy protection... or not being able to resell my software. I'll take not being able to resell my software.

Finally, anyone who paid $700 for Sonar doesn't know what the fvck they're doing

I paid $200 for the crossgrade from Logic a couple of years ago.

jens · Post by **jens** » Thu Oct 26, 2006 12:40 am

IIRs wrote:Oh right, was that a joke?

no, it wasn't - I knew it would go over your head...

CC4 · Post by **CC4** » Thu Oct 26, 2006 3:29 am

Anyone try Podium?...

http://www.zynewave.com/

Barbarossa · Post by **Barbarossa** » Thu Oct 26, 2006 10:48 am

bullshark wrote:
Barbarossa wrote: The MIDI-editor is the exception.
There lies the problem. Most of my MIDI now comes from GuitarPro, imported for further arranging with just a few MIDI recording sprinkled on top. Reaper MIDI setup just doesn't work for that, it's just too cumbersome to use; I spend more time trying to manage MIDI files and trying to avoid mistake than actually arranging any music; too distracting and time consuming. For me, it has to be fun, not work.

Ok, then it is definately not an option for you.

Which host?