KVR Audio

Lunch Money · Post by **Lunch Money** » Sun Oct 29, 2006 4:06 am

You can only have 2 mono inputs at a time, or one stereo input. There are different ways to connect them (mic jack, instr. jack, line ins) but at the end of the day, only 2 mono/1 stereo. Applying stereo effects still allows them to be 2 signal paths, though, resulting in output of 2 full stereo (ie. 4 channels) signals.

Pretty standard for the kind of device it is. The "monitor in" is actually quite handy for its intended purpose.

bullshark · Post by **bullshark** » Sun Oct 29, 2006 4:46 am

Thanks LM. Final nail in the coffin of the KB37 for me thought, as I need more inputs than that.

As a side note/question/statement, why is it so hard to find actual spec for those type of consumer products? Only marketing blabla, do they think we're too stupid to read spec sheet (and I'm not talking only about Line6 here)?

Lunch Money · Post by **Lunch Money** » Sun Oct 29, 2006 5:11 am

I totally agree. I was looking for the SNR before buying the TonePort, and it was nowhere to be found. Talking to Line 6 support was an exercise in futility, because I asked what the quality of the preamps was like, and they kept trying to tell me about the models when what I wanted was the actual analog-to-digital converter, and REAL pre-amp quality and SNR. Fuggedabudit. A few other people had the same experience when pursuing similar answers.

At the end of the day, I took the chance, and somewhere along the way I found that it was somewhere around -100. It's been a great little unit. The KB37 doesn't suit my needs, but I can imagine it being great for other people.

BONES · Post by **BONES** » Sun Oct 29, 2006 9:17 am

bullshark wrote:Thanks LM. Final nail in the coffin of the KB37 for me thought, as I need more inputs than that.

Why not just buy a mixer? It makes everything more flexible. You are nto going to find any keyboard with built-in I/O that does more than a KB37.

As a side note/question/statement, why is it so hard to find actual spec for those type of consumer products? Only marketing blabla, do they think we're too stupid to read spec sheet (and I'm not talking only about Line6 here)?

Whaddya mean? I had no problem whatsoever finding all the info I needed on the UX2. Maybe you just don't know what questions to ask?

bullshark · Post by **bullshark** » Sun Oct 29, 2006 2:32 pm

BONES wrote:Why not just buy a mixer? It makes everything more flexible.

I have a mixer, but I fail to see how they make things more flexible. If you screw up your mix on the first take, that's it, you're screwed.

You are nto going to find any keyboard with built-in I/O that does more than a KB37.

You're probably right. It just means those things are not for me.

As a side note/question/statement, why is it so hard to find actual spec for those type of consumer products? Only marketing blabla, do they think we're too stupid to read spec sheet (and I'm not talking only about Line6 here)?
Whaddya mean? I had no problem whatsoever finding all the info I needed on the UX2. Maybe you just don't know what questions to ask?

Ask? Ask who? I don't wanna ask anybody about anything, that's the whole point, I just wanna see the spec before I buy something so that I know exactly what I'm buying.

Example:

Spec sheet: http://www.lynxstudio.com/lynxtwospecs.html

Meaningless marketing blablaa: http://www.line6.com/toneport/

gunnare · Post by **gunnare** » Sun Oct 29, 2006 2:54 pm

It will look good onstage. Those little silver keyboards dont fit onstage in this city...............

How do you change presets from it? On my ozone I can use the keys to send program changes, but I dont see a way of changing presets from the kb 37. Of course I can bend over to the laptop , find the mouse knob, direct it to the preset list, and then scroll down all the way to preset nr 112, then find the left click button on the laptop and click it. Its simple:)

gunnare

BONES · Post by **BONES** » Sun Oct 29, 2006 11:27 pm

Or can sequence your program changes. With the KB37 and UX2 you can change up/down via one of two foot-switches that can be attached.

bullshark wrote:I have a mixer, but I fail to see how they make things more flexible. If you screw up your mix on the first take, that's it, you're screwed.

Surely taht woud be true most of the time anyway, wouldn't it? I assumed you could only play one instrument at a time so you would only be recording one at a time. I like using my mixer different ways in different situations. At home I run the mixer into my audio device but on stage I run the PC audio into the mixer because it make sit easier to adjust levels on the fly.

I just wanna see the spec before I buy something so that I know exactly what I'm buying.

Then why didn't you look HERE? Pretty comprehensive run-down if you ask me.

zai · Post by **zai** » Mon Oct 30, 2006 12:12 am

Ask? Ask who? I don't wanna ask anybody about anything, that's the whole point, I just wanna see the spec before I buy something so that I know exactly what I'm buying.

Example:

Spec sheet: http://www.lynxstudio.com/lynxtwospecs.html

Meaningless marketing blablaa: http://www.line6.com/toneport/

You looking for reason "NOT" to buy the product? Or you just talking yourself out of being "interested" in this product? If you don't think it's good for you, it probably isn't. That simple enough? Knowing all the "specs" would do nothing if you've already made up your mind.

Zai

thecontrolcentre · Post by **thecontrolcentre** » Mon Oct 30, 2006 6:16 pm

bullshark wrote:thecontrolcentre, what do you mean by "no more than 2 ins"? Is that 2 mono in at a time, or 2 stereo that can be split for a total of 4 mono input at the same time?

that's one stereo input or two mono ... the two monos can be line mic or both.
I thought the VU meters on my new one were acting up today ... there's a shadow moving across the dials every now and then.
After looking at it for a few minutes I realised that there's a bug inside the machine ...
i think it's a moth!!!

dunno how the f**k i'll get that out ... or how it got in there

rockstar_not · Post by **rockstar_not** » Mon Oct 30, 2006 6:30 pm

Lunch Money wrote:I totally agree. I was looking for the SNR before buying the TonePort, and it was nowhere to be found. Talking to Line 6 support was an exercise in futility, because I asked what the quality of the preamps was like, and they kept trying to tell me about the models when what I wanted was the actual analog-to-digital converter, and REAL pre-amp quality and SNR. Fuggedabudit. A few other people had the same experience when pursuing similar answers.

At the end of the day, I took the chance, and somewhere along the way I found that it was somewhere around -100. It's been a great little unit. The KB37 doesn't suit my needs, but I can imagine it being great for other people.

Greg,

I have the e-mail thread of my experience with them posted in the Raw Material Software forum. It sounds like we talked to the same idiot at Line6. Here's my interchange with them:
http://www.kvraudio.com/forum/viewtopic ... rt#1536821

I didn't take the plunge - I don't like to buy things from idiots. At least I haven't had the same experience with PreSonus.

-Scott

Lunch Money · Post by **Lunch Money** » Mon Oct 30, 2006 6:54 pm

Fair enough, and I can't blame you in the least. On the other hand, the features won me over and I pretty much just hoped that the support call-centre worker's idiocy couldn't be traced all the way back to idiot engineers. I trusted that the engineers were at least smart enough to have an "acceptable" SNR and so forth.

I've been quite happy with the thing so far. I'm lusting after a "better" and different device with better pre-amps, though, so I'm considering the plug-in instead.

thecontrolcentre · Post by **thecontrolcentre** » Mon Oct 30, 2006 6:58 pm

Lunch Money wrote: I've been quite happy with the thing so far.

but did you get a free moth with yours?

BONES · Post by **BONES** » Tue Oct 31, 2006 8:39 pm

rockstar_not wrote:I didn't take the plunge - I don't like to buy things from idiots. At least I haven't had the same experience with PreSonus.

If I had that attitude I would never buy anything. I just bought a UX2 to see what it was like so that I could decide whether or not to wait for a KB37. I'm really glad that I did. BTW, there is a bypass button on the top-right of GearBox that bypasses everything, amp/cab/pre models included. When teh KB37 is released I'm pretty sure I will get more for my UX2 on ebay than I paid for it.

rockstar_not · Post by **rockstar_not** » Tue Oct 31, 2006 8:47 pm

BONES wrote:
rockstar_not wrote:I didn't take the plunge - I don't like to buy things from idiots. At least I haven't had the same experience with PreSonus.
If I had that attitude I would never buy anything. I just bought a UX2 to see what it was like so that I could decide whether or not to wait for a KB37. I'm really glad that I did. BTW, there is a bypass button on the top-right of GearBox that bypasses everything, amp/cab/pre models included. When teh KB37 is released I'm pretty sure I will get more for my UX2 on ebay than I paid for it.

Bones,

Perhaps I'm more stringent when applying the word 'idiot' to someone. If you read the exchange that I had with Line6, you will see that they said the opposite of what you say about bypassing amp/preamp modelling on the UX2.

I don't know who to believe.

The person at Line 6 didn't even seem to understand the concept of signal to noise ratio.

-Scott

BONES · Post by **BONES** » Tue Oct 31, 2006 9:24 pm

Yeah, but I didn't buy from Line 6, I bought it from some idiot on ebay. I don't buy stuff to get support. In fact, if I thought I might ever need support I wouldn't bother in the first place.

Toneport KB37 is out!