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egarrard wrote:It sounds like you don't need a better sampled piano, but a better controller. This plug isn't going to fix what you just complained about. A plugin isn't about feel. It's about the sound it produces.
Believe me, I tried out a LOT of controllers before I settled on the Roland, which, although it is far from real piano action, was a lot better than most other digital pianos/controllers.

And a plugin IS about feel, to some extent, as velocity curves and ability to adjust this is very important. Although this can be adjusted to some extent within the controller, you usually have better control within the actual plugin.
The expressiveness you are complaining about is a limitation of MIDI. 128 steps is probably too course. I'm not sure there's any way around it as it stands. I suppose with a keyboard/module combo, a manufacturer could have whatever resolution they wanted between the two. It couldn't interface with normal MIDI stuff without conversion. A new format, maybe over firewire, might be able to take off, but it would need to also transmit normal down-converted MIDI stream for older equipment and software. If they can send 48 or more tracks of 24-bit audio down firewire at the same time, surely they could run several 16-bit control streams along with it.
You know, I actually don't think it's about the 128 steps. I think a lot of it is the sensitivity of the controller. You can always play louder on a real piano, but on a controller, there's a pretty prominent brick wall you hit.
Have you thought about using an upward expander on the output? That will allow you to lower the velocity for the normal stuff , yet give you more headroom on the top. It will give the same amoount of steps, but they will be further apart. Depending on how it was adjusted, it might do the trick for you.
Well, no, because I'm talking about the actual headroom in the sensitivity of the controller itself.
I agree with you though that controllers are a compromise at best. However, I don't need a truck to move mine and I can bang away all night without disturbibg someone sleeping in the room with me. Compared to what has gone before, I think controllers and piano modules are great! The benefits waaayy more than offset the negatives.

Again, waiting anxiously the try this new piano. :hihi:
Oh, I agree with you! Controllers are great! But to me, they are like a different instrument than a piano. It's like a sax player playing an EWI, or a drummer playing on electric drums. Sure, they both add a lot of cool features, but why do sax players not all play EWIs and drummers all play electric sets?

You can also always tell people who are used to playing digital pianos from people who are used to playing on real pianos because of their tone on a real piano. On an electric piano, you really have no control of your tone (or rather you don't have to worry about your tone), but on a real piano... you can work for years and years on developing a good tone.

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Gregjazz wrote:
You can also always tell people who are used to playing digital pianos from people who are used to playing on real pianos because of their tone on a real piano. On an electric piano, you really have no control of your tone (or rather you don't have to worry about your tone), but on a real piano... you can work for years and years on developing a good tone.
I'm assuming by "tone" you are reffering to dynamic nuances? If so, I agree; It's hard to hit notes with uniform velocity on a real piano, but even HARDER to hit them with uniform velocity on a cheap midi controller keyboard.
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Gregjazz wrote: You can also always tell people who are used to playing digital pianos from people who are used to playing on real pianos because of their tone on a real piano. On an electric piano, you really have no control of your tone (or rather you don't have to worry about your tone),
None of the above is true.

Every acoustic piano, has a feel of it's own, and it takes time to adjust, regardless of what you are used to playing on.

Digital pianos can, in fact, be far less forgiving regarding dynamic control, since they tend to reveal every lump and bump. Inconsistencies tend to sound worse than on an acoustic piano, I guess due to the fact that the 'analog' response of a real action allows for a finer resolution, plus the fact that a really good piano tends to make you play better, since it will feel so much more responsive.

The quality of a pianist's 'tone' is far more to do with good poise and balance between the fingers, as well as good tempo control and maturity of musical understanding.

Good, modern digital pianos are certainly capable of providing a platform on which a decent technique can be developed, although it is probably fair to say that you can only develop a really good pedal technique on an acoustic. Again, for any half-decent player, this will simply be a matter of adjustment, and probably applies both ways, i.e. someone who is used to an acoustic piano would require time to adjust to a digital.

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phattslagg wrote: ...Every acoustic piano, has a feel of it's own, and it takes time to adjust, regardless of what you are used to playing on.

Digital pianos can, in fact, be far less forgiving regarding dynamic control...
Oh, I probably did not use the best words to explain what I meant.

I was referring to the fact that you can overdub, quantize, and step-edit correct the midi velocities/timings on a recording of an electronic performance (if you saved a midi track instead of/in addition to an audio track.)

Actually it's hard to hit notes with uniform velocity on any instrument that allows dynamic control. (Especially when comparing oneself to renowned classical performers.)

For example, I cannot play many of the songs that came preset with my Clav with the correct amount of pressure; And that's one of the things which seperates the world class performing artists from the rest of us. It can be a subtle difference at times, but music critics can be harsh about every imperfection, slight or otherwise.

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To get back on the subject of the VSTi piano in question will the powers that be make a request from me. Please add the following feature as found in the Pinoteq, "phase variation in repetitions" as found at http://www.pianoteq.com/audiodemos on the right side near the bottom. A good simulation would be welcome to get some variation of a repeated note.

See also my tread on the variation on a note: http://www.kvraudio.com/forum/viewtopic ... 87#2100787
and http://www.kvraudio.com/forum/viewtopic ... 44#2002544

See also my thread on the piano action
http://www.kvraudio.com/forum/viewtopic ... sc&start=0

There are two things that I am looking forward to and that is this VSTi piano and energyXT 2. I know energyXT 2 will be great and let hope this VSTi lives up to the promise.

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Hi Kalamata Kid,

There's definitely "phase variation in repetitions" present in this piano plug. If you want to hear the plug in action visit

http://video.google.com/videosearch?q=truepianos

or

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid ... truepianos

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Hi,

That movie is pretty much amazing (well the xvid link is) but it still doesn't give me all the answers I want.. I noticed that when clicking 'next video' there somebody playing a piano (and singing) too which sounds very much similar to the sound of the first movie.

At least I now know that it's actually in a playable state.. Any idea when more information and the product itself will be available ?
mmdejonge wrote:Hi Kalamata Kid,

There's definitely "phase variation in repetitions" present in this piano plug. If you want to hear the plug in action visit

http://video.google.com/videosearch?q=truepianos

or

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid ... truepianos

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HamsterMadness wrote:Hi,

That movie is pretty much amazing (well the xvid link is) but it still doesn't give me all the answers I want.. I noticed that when clicking 'next video' there somebody playing a piano (and singing) too which sounds very much similar to the sound of the first movie.

At least I now know that it's actually in a playable state.. Any idea when more information and the product itself will be available ?
Indeed. I'm sincerely hoping it's not more than $100-150; if it's $50 it will sell like crazy. BUT WE'RE A LITTLE TIRED OF WAITING AND WOULD LIKE IT NOW, PLEASE. :D I know it's not your fault, guys, but the teasing is a little exhausting....
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Perhaps we need a change of thread title...
Pianists, the Soundclick MP3 demo page got updated!

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Hi,

Since I was a bit late with submitting my KVR new post I'm posting the following information in the active TruePianos threads:

TruePianos will be playable at NAMM 2007. Open Labs has installed a special version of TruePianos optimized for touch screens on the neKo Production Stations present at booth # 6015

So if you want to see and try TruePianos feel free to visit the Open Labs booth at NAMM.

TruePianos will be released to the public in January 2007. For those who can't attend NAMM, we've put up an updated demonstration movie on our website at http://www.truepianos.com/ demonstrating TruePianos the GUI and featuring two songs played with TruePiano Modules.

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Roel / 4Front Technologies

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Hi,

TruePianos is now released and the website is open at http://www.truepianos.com

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Roel / 4Front Technologies

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Hi,

The demo and full version of TruePianos downloads at http://www.truepianos.com/ have been updated.

VSTi host compatibility has been improved and the "Protection Error: 196" (Ableton Live/Brainspawn Forte) that have been reported by some is a thing of the past.

If you've had problems with TruePianos in specific VST Hosts please grab the latest version from the website.

To stay up-to-date on updates and new add-on modules please subscribe to the mailinglist at the bottom the first page seen when visiting http://www.truepianos.com/

If you should still have problems, please use the contact us form in the support section of the website.

Note: Renoise currently seems to be incompatible with TruePianos, otherwise no incompatibility issues are known.

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Roel / 4Front Technologies

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Hi,

I'd like to inform you that 4Front Technologies and Rayzoon Technologies currently have a cross discount program!

All TruePianos customers are now eligible to purchase Jamstix Jamboree for only $99 instead of $139. Please go the 'Specials' section of your customer page on the TruePianos web site to take advantage of this offer (www.truepianos.com)

Likewise, all existing and new Jamstix Jamboree owners (Jamstix+All Expansion Paks) are now eligible to purchase TruePianos for only $129 instead of the regular price of $180. See the Rayzoon web site for details on how to use this offer (www.rayzoon.com).

This discount program has no expiration date but may be cancelled at any time.

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Roel / 4Front Technologies

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