So who's started to plan for next year?

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Once a year is enough. Even twice would be too much, I think. Prize money wouldn't be that good. Maybe KVR could start collectimg donations a couple of months ahead as an announcement.

Even if it is to be a regular event, I think first you have to decide exactly what you want it to be; are you expecting Absynth type creations, or is it something you would want simpler developers to also be able to take part in? I'd say keep the time limit "shortish" so that not so established developers have a chance too. If you give a full year, then someone already working for the likes of NI or Steinberg might smack something together in their spare time (a shoe-in for his/her new plasma TV) that no noobie dev could possibly match. Since magazines and the like expressed their interest, I say keep it so that the upstarts may have the opportunity to get some exposure as well. The limited time might also plays well to see how innovative the devs can be.

It's kind of hard to organise because you can never tell how many devs are going to participate or how much people would donate. The prize money would get better if people knew they were in for loads of goodies. Hopefully this year's competition will encourage that. You also can't tell what categories the plugins will fit into, so just instruments and effects is not good enough. This voting system was fair IMO because it simply chose what plugin most people were impressed by. Maybe the hosts could decide what they want every year, by limiting categories or dictating them outright.

This competition was great because it was spontaneous. Any planned events are going to have to be based on an agenda of some kind. When they know it's coming, the devs might even start their plugins a year or more earlier, which would be unfaithful to this year's premise... but the plugins would be f**king AWESOME!!!!! :band2:

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But the point isn't the amount of prize money, that's secondary. The point is programmers competing for the best freeware plugin that they can come up with in a certain amount of time.

You do it once a year, and yes, people can take all year prepping for it. You do it quarterly, that gives people 3 months, which should be a good amount of time. If they miss the deadline, they can get in on the next one 3 months later, not the following year.

I had mentioned that I'd donate based on the amount of plugins in the competition. :)
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Do you guys want good freeware???
I'm utterly shocked at you guys wanting to put limitations on us like that. holy shiznit
Let everyone plan all year.
What are we your little bitches all of a sudden?
Are these non devs calling for a monthly???
Don't get greedy now.

Most of the devs were probably hatching ideas for next year while the voting was still on anyways.
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The great thing about having an annual competition (if it continues- and I hope it will) is that it will encourage people to hang out for the competition to release their plugins - well, some of them - which will create a huge number of entries - which could be bad, could be good - but it'll also encourage users to download all of them - cause if the plugins aren't being released at other points of the year, so much... get the drift? Plugin starvation. Followed by rampant gorging- bigger and better, maybe- More people entering, more people downloading, some more people donating. Building year after year as word gets round.
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Heheh, well mate we're not all obligated to compete every time. At all even. ;)

So I think, whatever the outcome, I'll choose for myself anyways. :D

I'm not opposed to the quarterly idea with the xmas blowout though, it's an interesting proposal thus far.
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Plus, you could always have staggered comps. separated by category

ie. When peeps are voting for one category (eg: experimental), developers are cutting code in another (eg: emulation) ;)

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Time Control wrote:Do you guys want good freeware???
I'm utterly shocked at you guys wanting to put limitations on us like that. holy shiznit
Let everyone plan all year.
What are we your little bitches all of a sudden?
Are these non devs calling for a monthly???
Don't get greedy now.

Most of the devs were probably hatching ideas for next year while the voting was still on anyways.
NO DEVS YOU'RE NOT ALLOWED TO THINK!!!
I thought monthly was a bit crazy myself, but I figured quarterly would be ok. I thought that 3 months was a good amount of time if you don't have any regular projects going on to do something in your free time. Me, I've been working on my house and on my home business, so I didn't get the chance to start messing with SE this year as I had planned. I am ready to donate money for the contest though. I think by next summer I can put an entry in. Yeah, maybe then I'll learn what it's like to work on a plugin and I'll want the whole year too. :) (No, I'm not a real programmer. I tried it in college, it just didn't work for me, my brain didn't want to wrap my head around it.)

What I liked about quarterly too was that if you missed the deadline, there's another contest 3 months later, you didn't have to wait until the next year. Sure, you could just release the plugin anyway, as you're doing it because you want to make the plugin, not for the money, right? :)

And again, if 3 months isn't enough time, you don't have to enter every contest. I'd hope that as a group, us KVR'ers could patiently wait until you've got your entry ready. :)
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----If anything, other than tuz/K-v-R ben, the devs should decide what they want to do competition-wise for any future events.
----Meanwhile, congrats too all who participated, and hopefully all the devs who entered get a cool prize and can feel positive about the outcome despite who was voted most popular on K-v-R. No offense to this wonderful website and all, but it is not the entire outside world, and the devs who did not place in the top here, should of course know that. Just saying, there's many more people out there than us often-crabby regs eh. :hihi:
----Now back to all the plug-ins, just cause the DC is over, doesn't mean the fun is. :)

Jeff

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I'd say yearly would be appropriate, anything less and the quality would get watered down and devs may put off applying to 'wait for the next comp'. You need both the time to prepare and the deadline to drive you- with frequent competitions you have less time and the drive is less significant.

It takes a long time time prepare a good vst plug even more for a vsti. For my entry, even though it seems quite straightforward on the surface, the spline curve and the envelope follower took months to get right.

I also agree with somebodys suggestion to have oscar style awards- best overall, best vst, best vsti, most original, etc, it's great to get new, free, 'bread and butter' fx and synths but we also need to encourage those who want to experiment with niche ideas, creativity should be an important aspect of the comp I'd say..

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Hi,

Something like "best freeware VST" should be once a year imo, and then vote on the best freeware VST that came out that year.
3 catagories : Best VSTi, Best VSTFX, Best standalone.

Then have a DC like 2 times a year, with categories :

- VST Instrument
- VST Effect
- Standalone
- Etc.

Per category it would be nice to have several winning points to vote on :

- Innovation
- Creativity
- GUI
- Best newcomer ( or let this be a general thing. )
- Etc.

Cya,
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I say yearly. I'm not even sure about multiple categories.
Do it more frequently and it will get bland quickly..

I personally loved the excitement building up around the event. You'd quickly lose that (and the interest and dedication of devs) if that would be lost by making this a quarterly or half-yearly event (which would happen I'm afraid).

I can also foresee that people would even be less inclined to vote and try every entry thoroughly if it was more than once a year. I guess people would just download one or two that seem interesting at first sight and get on with their business.

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I'll voice annual again, and as category-less as possible. EG if we had categories, stuff like VideoVST would never get a lookin, or if a dev had a fab idea there may not be the opening [granted they could release it anyway, but sometimes you want a bit of a fanfare to put something out in]

I like it being an open festival, where pretty much anything goes, and I think there is plenty of room for plugin/standalone variations - we wouldn't have had lunchbox or C&P if it had been plug only. I feel Tuz's original idea of just opening the gates and seeing what comes was the best thing about it ;)

Remember, a DC is like a box of chocolates - if you leave it out in the sun the contents melt and go all GUI... no that wasn't it.. errr...

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Annualy here also, as mentioned before, and category free like this one was. I think there is absolutely NO BIAS in the standings as they finally sit. Just look at Balthor for concrete proof of this. If it was in the synth only category, I likely wouldn't have had a chance, but as an overall, people will vote for what they like and what they find to be useful. I think the results were so fair that nobody could have called it. Even the SE stuff didn't fare as badly as I thought they might given the common bias against SE. Otherwise you'd end up with people competeing for the most features or something... and more time for the devs (after reading their input).

...still dissapointed for Rezon8 :( what was everybody thinking??? :wink: :lol:

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Debutante wrote: ...still dissapointed for Rezon8 :( what was everybody thinking??? :wink: :lol:
:hihi: everybody was drunk or so :P

Nah, i don't mind :)
I'm happy with the votes i got, and the ppl now have a nice resonater plugin to use.

Cya,
Rob.

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Oncew a year, that is what I think ppl cant take, and as for me as a dev, that is defenetively enough to put in. Having to wait a full month for the results had me wake up at night.
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