Toxic III Feature Requests

[kraftF]

First of all I would like to express to Maxx my great satisfaction acout Toxic.
Suberb synth at a very attractive price.

Since I know Maxx is further developing Toxic III I would like to ask for some things:

1) Midi learn(already stated this on amother thread)
2) Hold button remembering the last pressed keys to keep the sequencer playing.
3) Midi out from Toxic's sequencer or export function of the sequencer as midi file.
4) Random wave generator for the lfo's.It is kind of difficult to achieve the random lfo's even with the noise waveforms or any fixed waveform.
5) link button for the oscilator envelopes.
6) Ability to save the state of the oscilator to avoid searching for waveforms that you import and the redoing of the envelope settings.
7) LP/HP filter in the delay section

I hope all the above make sense and do not appear to be outer space words.

Cheers
Kyros

[kraftF]

No movement here.
Isn't anybody interested in ToxicIII? I'm surprised.

Anyway I will keep adding FR's to Maxx.
Here are some more:

8 ) Add 24 more semitones to the EFG to the Master pitch modulation.
9 ) Addition of the lfo's and velocity to the sources in the midi page.
10 ) Add 12 more semitones to the pitchbend range.
11 ) Ability to automate the FM matrix and the MIX and PAN of the OSC's either through midi or vst automation.

Maxx what do you think for all the above? Are they possible?
Personally I am willing to pay for these things as part of a new upgrade.

Waiting for feedback.
Again ToxicIII is amongst the best vsti's I've dealt with.Well done again.

Cheers
Kyros

[kraftF]

I keep talking to myself here.
No worries.

Another one:

12 ) Real world value indication when you move the knobs and sliders in Toxic(Hz, cents etc)

Cheers
Kyros

[Vonbrucken]

will there be a dedicated toxic 3 forum on looptalk as the sytrus one

[Maxx Claster]

Wow... so many requests Not sure I can add all (or some) of these features in next update, and if I add all this - it will be Toxic IV indeed

okay, replyin by positions:

1) Midi learn(already stated this on amother thread)

Might be good

2) Hold button remembering the last pressed keys to keep the sequencer playing.

There is a sustain pedal for it... but maybe.

3) Midi out from Toxic's sequencer or export function of the sequencer as midi file.

Yes, but it's a big feature - for major update.

4) Random wave generator for the lfo's.It is kind of difficult to achieve the random lfo's even with the noise waveforms or any fixed waveform.

Check.

5) link button for the oscilator envelopes.

Didn't get what you are talking about
6) Ability to save the state of the oscilator to avoid searching for waveforms that you import and the redoing of the envelope settings.

Hmm.... yes.

7) LP/HP filter in the delay section

Yup, indeed. I removed this in version 3 (Toxic2 had LowPass filter on delay and chorus, but this feature was used only in couple of presets, so it's removed as I found it generally not used)


8 ) Add 24 more semitones to the EFG to the Master pitch modulation.

Not so necessary imho... for what? It's not a subtraction synth with sync modulation, and moving sound up or down more than to 2 ocaves (you offer 4 octaves back and forth) I think won't be too useful, it's overkill.

9 ) Addition of the lfo's and velocity to the sources in the midi page.

No, this don't like. It's a kind of overkill again... and may be used too rare. I think.

10 ) Add 12 more semitones to the pitchbend range.

Again too big range... but maybe.

11 ) Ability to automate the FM matrix and the MIX and PAN of the OSC's either through midi or vst automation.


Yes, but impossible to do on minor update, will keep it for next major.

12 ) Real world value indication when you move the knobs and sliders in Toxic(Hz, cents etc)

I'm not a fan of values displayed... as you anyway use your ears rather than eyes for values which doesn't need precise setting. But maybe.

[kraftF]

Wow... so many requests Not sure I can add all (or some) of these features in next update, and if I add all this - it will be Toxic IV indeed

First of all thanks a lot for your response to the huge number of my requests. I want to emphasize again that all these requests derive from the big satisfaction that this fabulus synth has given me.

5) link button for the oscilator envelopes.

Didn't get what you are talking about

I am talking about link buttons in every osc that will link their envelopes. That means when you move one slider (attack for example) for one osc then all the other(attack) sliders that correspond to the linked oscs will move as well and get the same position finally.This is to avoid makinng the same adjustments for oscs that use the same amplitude envelopes or same attacks,decays etc. More user friendly. I hope you get it.

6) Ability to save the state of the oscilator to avoid searching for waveforms that you import and the redoing of the envelope settings.
Hmm.... yes.

Yes?What do you mean?Do you agree?Is it too difficult?

7) LP/HP filter in the delay section

Yup, indeed. I removed this in version 3 (Toxic2 had LowPass filter on delay and chorus, but this feature was used only in couple of presets, so it's removed as I found it generally not used)

Sorry I didn't know that since I got Toxic III directly.To tell you the truth I disagree because lots of times you have to filter out frequencies to get a better sounding delay.Not so useful for the chorus section I agree.Anyway I can live without it.

8 ) Add 24 more semitones to the EFG to the Master pitch modulation.

Not so necessary imho... for what? It's not a subtraction synth with sync modulation, and moving sound up or down more than to 2 ocaves (you offer 4 octaves back and forth) I think won't be too useful, it's overkill.

I was hoping that you would say that

Am I crazy? No of course not.
Did you know that the synth that you've built is a very decent drumsynth as well?
If you implement the above feature then it would become a very nice drumsynth.Drum sounds need big margins between their sweeping frequencies and the plus 24 semitones give this possibiity.
Don't know, maybe you wanna built a new dedicated drumsynth ao you wouldn't want this feature to be present here.
By the way I have a small tune using only ToxicIII without extra effects, even for drums.
I can send it to you if you are interested.

I got some more questions here:

1 ) what is the amount that lfo2 affects master pitch modulation?I presume 100 means 12 semitones or 1200 cents.If yes I would like more here as well.After all I am a pitchshifting mind.
That's why I was asking about some Real world value indication on FR 13.
Some things are not obvious even in the manual which is kind of basic for the abilities and features of Toxic.
I would like especially for the lfo's to have a Hz indications when I want to sync to musical rytmhic values that are not available in the sync dropdown list.There are calculators that can help you to convert the hz to bpm.I've made myself one

Any chance to put an intro-delay parameter to the lfo's?That's a secret FR.

2 ) Why can't I get a white or pink or whatever pure noise when I import noise waveforms.
The noise waveforms become oscs as well but they lose their noise content.I know there is the work around to FM modulate the osc's and get the noise and this is how I do it eventually.
And when you import a waveform what is the portion of the wave that finally becomes the looped osc?I mean how many samples?

9 ) Addition of the lfo's and velocity to the sources in the midi page.

No, this don't like. It's a kind of overkill again... and may be used too rare. I think.

Why not? I think it would be very useful to be able to route the lfo's and velocity to the envelopes, the osc mix,pan and the effect parameters.
No I am wrong, not just useful it would be awesome and it would be nothing more than 2 lines in the dropdown list of the sources in the midi page. I mean in terms of messing up the GUI and not regarding the coding that this needs to be acomplished.Maybe it's too difficult i don't know.

10 ) Add 12 more semitones to the pitchbend range.
Again too big range... but maybe.

It's your call again. It would be nice in terms of performance for FX.

11 ) Ability to automate the FM matrix and the MIX and PAN of the OSC's either through midi or vst automation.
Yes, but impossible to do on minor update, will keep it for next major.

Sorry about this I overlooked that you can adjust the mix and pan through midi .So this FR applies only for the FMmatrix parameters.

To sum up, I agree all the above would represent a ToxicIV version.I wouldn't mind getting this update.

Thank you for your time and patience for reading this post.
A very happy customer

Kyros

[Mikomi]

You know, I just got my studio setup up again today, and immediately it hit me... now that the unison controls (detune and pan) update in realtime, can we get them as destinations on the MIDI page? That would allow me to do PHAT unison sweeps from the mod wheel on my keyboard.

Other than that, the ability to control the FM matrix from midi would be awesome - could do some really great 'morphing' presets.

[kraftF]

At last someone is sharing his entusiasm about Toxic.
Agree for the unison.
Look out for new patches from me. pretty soon they will be on the road.
maxx where are you?
he must be working hard for the Mac release.

http://www.waveshaped.com

[Maxx Claster]

You know, I just got my studio setup up again today, and immediately it hit me... now that the unison controls (detune and pan) update in realtime, can we get them as destinations on the MIDI page? That would allow me to do PHAT unison sweeps from the mod wheel on my keyboard.

Other than that, the ability to control the FM matrix from midi would be awesome - could do some really great 'morphing' presets.

I'll probably add it... But not in 1.3, maybe in 1.4 (on 1.3 it's most important how it will work on mac, that's for what we are working hard and concerned by this ).

[hesnotthemessiah]

Hi there kraftF . I just downloaded the latest ToxicIII update and thought I would check out KVR for any further info. To be honest, I havent used ToxicIII much yet (too many plugins to choose from already in my plugins folder) although I remember that I liked the sounds that I could get out of ToxicI and II. Looking forward to using ToxicIII over the next couple of days though.

I read your posts in this thread and it seems like you would probably find using EnergyXT as a very useful tool in which to wrap ToxicIII (and other plugins) in. Just load EnergyXT as a VSTi within your host (just as you would any other VSTi) then, inside the EnergyXT window you can then load ToxicIII. Then the fun begins - you can assign any ToxicIII parameter to any controller (ie:-cc1, cc2......cc37...cc99 etc) and assign any range value (ie. 40 to 60, 1 to 127, 127 to 1 etc). You can load up any of the freely available LFO midi VST plugins into the same EnergyXT window and control any ToxicIII parameters to the LFO midi VST plugins.

You sound like someone who likes getting into the editing of plugins, rather than using the presets and perhaps tweaking the filters and EnergyXT gives you so many options that will enhance any plugin.

Here is a link to a thread I started which gives some info on the way I use EnergyXT and what I love about it:- http://www.kvraudio.com/forum/viewtopic ... 57#2203757

Hope you find this useful! Please let me know how you get on with it.

[kraftF]

Hi hesnotthemess. Sorry for not answering your post for such long time.
Yup you got right I like to mess up with the plugs in general.
Yes I use EnergyXT the way you do as well.I have already configured it to midi control toxic III.
The problem with XT now is that there is no scroll in the CCmap page and this makes it impossible to assign too many controllers to control the synth of your liking. Furthermore it is more preferable to have your synths already assigned with midi control instead of loading them nested into energyXT.

Anyway I agree with you about XT and its vast possibilities.XT2 is coming as well and I hope some of the issues that are troublesome are going to be eliminated.But we have to wait some more time because it is still in beta stage.

Cheers
Kyros

[jb61264]

Hey Maxx,

I just picked up Toxic III from the Yard Sale at IL...I love your synth! I have two feature requests regarding the sequencer

1. highlight the step that plays as it goes through a sequence (just a very subtle highlight as it scrolls through the sequence.

2. ability to select a different patch at any step in the sequence (right mouseclick opens patch window)

Your built-in sequencer is very attractive and was one of the big reasons I wanted Toxic...I also like Rob Papen's Blue and Albino for the same reason...1 and 2 above would really open up the sequencing capability in Toxic

Just thought I'd throw those out there for considersation.

Thanks for such a great product!

[Madrayken]

Not sure if it flies in the face of how Toxic was intended to be used, but I'd like to be able to use longer Custom samples, even if the additive synthesis was disabled for them! As it is, using them is such a hit and miss affair, and so limited, I can't see myself using them. Being able to use an arbitrary loop would be fantastic. But perhaps that's stupid-talk.

[BazzaTron]

Hi Maxx, I'm using Toxic III in FL Studio

I really like the way it "remembers" changes you have made to a preset (so if you're switching between presets you don't lose any changes you've made)

It would be nice though to be able to "undo" any changes you have made (so the patch goes back to the original setting in in the bank) or even to "flip" between changes you have made and the original settings.

Cheers!