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no, but i record in 4 time slomotion and lower pitch with all traks 4 octave. then when i render trak out, i resample up to make it higher frequency resolution. so it can take more than 30 minutes sometime to render. all pros record like this. i guess this vsti is not made for pros. Razz
Ok. Now that the truth has been leaked out, there's no reason to keep in the darkness all those details which pro's have been using forever. I won't cover those all, but here're a few:

1- First you'll need to tweak every single stage of every envelope generator by a factor of 4. So when you play the rendered track 4x the times will be as in the original. You can keep the levels original.

2- Now lower all LFO's frequencies by 4x. You might be fooled to think that you can sync-to-host-tempo and that's it, but no way. It has to be manually done. Other time-related parameters as LFO delay, fade, etc. need to be tweaked as well.

3- If you use a multisample, then you'll need to remap the whole thing. When you play it four octaves down, you aren't triggering same samples. Remapping every key and velocity region can sound like tedious, but no pain, no gain. If you really want to be a pro, you need it.

4- Adjust every reverb instance to 4 times the original length and predelay. You have to do what you have to do.

5- Adjust all compressiors to 4 times the attack and release time. Demodulator constant won't be identical, but pro's don't care.

6- Every single EQ band needs to be tweaked to make the frequency 4 octaves lower. Don't forget to adjust the Q to compensate... somehow.

7- As correctly stated previously, this might take 4 times longer to render. PLEASE don't be tempted to use one of those nasty hosts which have faster-than-realtime render options. All pro's know that there's no better sound that the one which takes long to render. If possible, bug your favorite host manufacturer for 16x-slower-than-realtime render options. I heard pro's have special versions with this option enabled, while consumers get the fenced version which only renders realtime or faster.

8- The trick works also for acoustic instruments: pro's will ask the soprano players to play bari, violin players to use cellos, flutes are replaced by 3" bath pipes. Pros will also replace all female singers with their male equivalents, and male singers with some creatures like Jabba. I don't know where they get those though.

9- If your song is longer than 7.5 minutes, it will take longer than 30 minutes to render. Therefore, don't use Massive demo. It's a well-known fact that pro's don't use Massive demo in tracks longer than 7.5 minutes.

10- Don't get fooled by thoswe who say that the procedure above is to invoke devil or suchlike. This will give you a killer sound which noone will ever forget.


-René

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It's true - Kanye West is using it in his latest video ;)

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John Vulich wrote:I'm just not a big fan of Wavetable synths like the PPG, Malström and Massive. I find that I can get much more interesting sounds from Wavesequencing/Vector synths like Wavestation and Xphraze. Perhaps this is due to the fact that the waves, that are scanned in a wavetable, are generally closely related to each other and don't lend themselves to very dramatic and varied tones. I'm sure that this is due to the fact that I compose Ambient music and I like long evolving sounds that I feel I can get easier from Wavesequencing. Oddly enough, the only Wavetable synth that I've ever found interesting is Surge. Not sure why though. Maybe because it allows for many different ways to modulate the Wavetables. :shrug:
Well, it seem to me you haven't had a close enough look to massive, it's possible to create quite some nonlinear sound changes, especially when using Formant as Oscillator mode...
Other than that combining the Oscillators with FM/AM/Table position FM, or one of the polyphonic insert effects (from S/H, Shapers to bitcrushers) before or after one or both filters can have quite some influence on the sound. Also the comb filter mode goes far enough (much further than simply plolyphonic chorus/flanger effects) to create karplus-strong type sounds including swirrling, glittering pads...
I wasn't involved with the preset creation of Massive, since I was pretty much busy creating FM8-Sounds, but I had some time to run a few tests on its functions and think it's a mighty little synth that simply needs some time to tweak it the right way...
A formant is a preferred resonating frequency of any acoustical system.

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I'll certainly keep playing with the demo, but so far I'm not really that impressed with the voice architecture. The modulation routing design is brilliant however.

If only Rhino 2 had a similar GUI and mod scheme. :hihi:

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Well, I found they combined pretty usefull functions even so I would have prefered the modulation oscillator to do a little more than just a sine wave. On the other hand even the FX-Section is modable, so I'm not sure what you're missing voice architecture wise. With 3 wavetable oscillators and two sine shapers at variable positions in the signal flow I'm even able to create quite complex FM type sounds...
A formant is a preferred resonating frequency of any acoustical system.

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well I am getting it. I think it is awesome. I was going to wait for komplete 5 upgrade but I figure I can always sell it when I get komplete 5 if it comes with it.
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Summa wrote:Well, I found they combined pretty usefull functions even so I would have prefered the modulation oscillator to do a little more than just a sine wave. On the other hand even the FX-Section is modable, so I'm not sure what you're missing voice architecture wise. With 3 wavetable oscillators and two sine shapers at variable positions in the signal flow I'm even able to create quite complex FM type sounds...
Not so much what's missing as what is there that so unique?

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René wrote: Ok. Now that the truth has been leaked out, there's no reason to keep in the darkness all those details which pro's have been using forever. I won't cover those all, but here're a few:

-René
Oh man, brutal! René whips out the Kryptonite.
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Pros use banjos and harmonicas you losers! And they play 'em one-quarter speed because modern tech just needs a bit of foolin' every now and then.

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First impressions:

DANG! This thing has some awesome pads. Ready-to-go str8 into your next soundtrack

re: Analog .... haha... we are still not there yet

Lotta nice FM-ish tones too

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O.L.T wrote:re: Analog .... haha... we are still not there yet
It's never claimed to be an analog emulaton- a wavetable synth by definition has to be digital...

ew
A spectral heretic...

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Honestly, having worked with real Arp 2600s and Synthi AKS, I don't get why 'analog' is such a big deal. It can be great, and a synth is a synth. It has its boudaries and most of them are different in some way just because the options are so many. Sounds are sounds, and sometimes a sneeze or a wheeze is the greatest thing ever because it sits in a context that allows it to be realized in that way. But in terms of the ultimate spread, the ultimate buffet of savory sounds, digital has been kind enough to me to write this dumb post. You can't import the sound of ripping paper into an Arp 2600. And you can't make a rompler have the precise chain of filter circuits that a 2600 has.

I can't remember who said it, but a bad kiss is still a good kiss. Right?
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ew wrote:
O.L.T wrote:re: Analog .... haha... we are still not there yet
It's never claimed to be an analog emulaton- a wavetable synth by definition has to be digital...

ew
That's fine, but why, then, is there an analog category in the browser?
Shane Sanders wrote:I can't remember who said it, but a bad kiss is still a good kiss. Right?
Dang man, who have you been kissing lately? :P

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O.L.T wrote: That's fine, but why, then, is there an analog category in the browser?
Because a lot of people expect to see some form of "analog emulation" in factory presets...

ew
A spectral heretic...

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O.L.T wrote:
Shane Sanders wrote:I can't remember who said it, but a bad kiss is still a good kiss. Right?
Dang man, who have you been kissing lately? :P
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