Massive demo?

[O.L.T]

I can't remember who said it, but a bad kiss is still a good kiss. Right?

Dang man, who have you been kissing lately?

'scuse me while I kiss the sky

wan ah wahhhn ba dun wah weehn ba dun wah weeeehn...

(Not to self-promote... no way... I would never do that.... ..... but ...)

Some nice person said my PG remix was kinda Hendrix-ish ..... high praise indeed

Listen here: http://www.realworldremixed.com/remix.p ... 1is93qHavs (turn up the bass)

[_oswald]

I can't remember who said it, but a bad kiss is still a good kiss. Right?

Dang man, who have you been kissing lately?

'scuse me while I kiss the sky

wan ah wahhhn ba dun wah weehn ba dun wah weeeehn...

(Not to self-promote... no way... I would never do that.... ..... but ...)

Some nice person said my PG remix was kinda Hendrix-ish ..... high praise indeed

Listen here: http://www.realworldremixed.com/remix.p ... 1is93qHavs (turn up the bass)

I found the music improved when I turned down the volume.

[O.L.T]

(What a zinger, did your momma write that one for ya? )

Anyways, back on topic ...

I also wanted to give a big thumbs up to NI for the less (edit: -un) restricted demo. The big boys are listenin'

[adj]

(What a zinger, did your momma write that one for ya? )

Anyways, back on topic ...

I also wanted to give a big thumbs up to NI for the unrestricted demo. The big boys are listenin'

Unrestricted? IMHO no saves and time-limited to 30 minutes = 'restricted' (at least my version is)

Yes though I do also appreciate NI lately and join you in the

Last year they gave all us registered users a free xmas gift of a limited edition 'Metaphysical Function' standalone which is fully functional and way cool and I still use it. I wonder what it'll be this year

Cheers,
Alex

[ew]

Last year they gave all us registered users a free xmas gift of a limited edition 'Metaphysical Function' standalone which is fully functional and way cool and I still use it. I wonder what it'll be this year

Cheers,
Alex

?

That WASN'T last year- that was 2003...

ew

[John Vulich]

Last year they gave all us registered users a free xmas gift of a limited edition 'Metaphysical Function' standalone which is fully functional and way cool and I still use it. I wonder what it'll be this year

Hopefully, pills that give you a better memory.

[adj]

Last year they gave all us registered users a free xmas gift of a limited edition 'Metaphysical Function' standalone which is fully functional and way cool and I still use it. I wonder what it'll be this year

Cheers,
Alex

?

That WASN'T last year- that was 2003...

ew

Well, I knew it was one of them years...

[Old Crab]

I compose Ambient music and I like long evolving sounds that I feel I can get easier from Wavesequencing.

I'd be interested in listening to some of your music. I browsed a few pages over in Music Cafe but didn't see anything. Could you post a link?

If only Rhino 2 had a similar GUI and mod scheme.

Agreed.
OC

[Sascha Franck]

Ok. Now that the truth has been leaked out, there's no reason to keep in the darkness all those details which pro's have been using forever. I won't cover those all, but here're a few:
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I just love you, René!

Anyways, slightly back to on topic:
Is there really no option to modulate the morph pad in FM8, others than using MIDI learn?
Regarding modulation options, I'm generally quite underwhelmed by FM8 - it's just exactly the same ModMatrix that we all know from FM7. At least the X-Y parameters of the morph pad should be available as modulation targets
Also, loading patches into the morph pad is sort of less than ideal. You gotta remember the sound that you load into the 4 fields. I'd be a tad easier if you could select one of the squares in the miniaturized morph pad icon and then doubleclick in the browser to load a patch. Then, in case you change a preset, all morph pad contents are forgotten. It'd be better if there was an option that a given preset would only be loaded into the selected morph pad section.
But as said, my major dissapointment comes from not being able to modulate the morph pad. Quite an oversight, if you ask me, especially since almost all other NI products are true modulation monsters by now.
Finally, I'm not sure I like the Kore-ish preset browser. Once you import old banks, most of them won't be categorized, so they will only show up when all patches are visible. That's not good at all in my book. In addition, with FM7 I could easily surf my presets using the arrow keys. FM8 requires each sound to be doubleclicked.
In addition, sorting sounds is a nightmare under OSX anyways and FM8 is of absolutely no help regarding that. My old banks are now showing up in a massively long list, rather than being represented as nice banks (which I always liked, plus, you still had the option to save single presets). Plus I could just keep them where *I* wanted, whereas now they're nested in a gazillion of subfolders (btw, that's the same for Absynth), which I simply hate.

[TotcProductions]

no, but i record in 4 time slomotion and lower pitch with all traks 4 octave. then when i render trak out, i resample up to make it higher frequency resolution. so it can take more than 30 minutes sometime to render. all pros record like this. i guess this vsti is not made for pros. Razz

Ok. Now that the truth has been leaked out, there's no reason to keep in the darkness all those details which pro's have been using forever. I won't cover those all, but here're a few:

1- First you'll need to tweak every single stage of every envelope generator by a factor of 4. So when you play the rendered track 4x the times will be as in the original. You can keep the levels original.

2- Now lower all LFO's frequencies by 4x. You might be fooled to think that you can sync-to-host-tempo and that's it, but no way. It has to be manually done. Other time-related parameters as LFO delay, fade, etc. need to be tweaked as well.

3- If you use a multisample, then you'll need to remap the whole thing. When you play it four octaves down, you aren't triggering same samples. Remapping every key and velocity region can sound like tedious, but no pain, no gain. If you really want to be a pro, you need it.

4- Adjust every reverb instance to 4 times the original length and predelay. You have to do what you have to do.

5- Adjust all compressiors to 4 times the attack and release time. Demodulator constant won't be identical, but pro's don't care.

6- Every single EQ band needs to be tweaked to make the frequency 4 octaves lower. Don't forget to adjust the Q to compensate... somehow.

7- As correctly stated previously, this might take 4 times longer to render. PLEASE don't be tempted to use one of those nasty hosts which have faster-than-realtime render options. All pro's know that there's no better sound that the one which takes long to render. If possible, bug your favorite host manufacturer for 16x-slower-than-realtime render options. I heard pro's have special versions with this option enabled, while consumers get the fenced version which only renders realtime or faster.

8- The trick works also for acoustic instruments: pro's will ask the soprano players to play bari, violin players to use cellos, flutes are replaced by 3" bath pipes. Pros will also replace all female singers with their male equivalents, and male singers with some creatures like Jabba. I don't know where they get those though.

9- If your song is longer than 7.5 minutes, it will take longer than 30 minutes to render. Therefore, don't use Massive demo. It's a well-known fact that pro's don't use Massive demo in tracks longer than 7.5 minutes.

10- Don't get fooled by thoswe who say that the procedure above is to invoke devil or suchlike. This will give you a killer sound which noone will ever forget.


-René

Well played Rene.

Peace

[dezai (2)]

Do most of you try out these demos on your main daw? I'm a little wary of doing so, as my daw is clean and stable. I tried the Massive demo on my internet machine, but I want to see what it's like with my daw's cpu, keyboard, knobs, etc.

Is it safe? And if so, does the demo work in Kore?

[ugo]

i just tried massive

that interface...holy crapola...it is so well done, its scarry. its f**king awesome. its amazingly intuitive, i adore the look, its clean and easy to read, and easy to navigate. this might very well be the greatest synth interface i've ever used on a complex synth.

i've only gone through some of the presets but i like what i hear so far. of course not all would be useful for me, but i suspect that many will be. and when it comes to programming my own sounds, im finding it to be very easy and very fun to do, especially since i can be a bit of a modulation junkie.

cpu usage wise, im definitely happy that i've got a powerful new machine because this synth can get mighty hungry. not all sounds require high quality mode though, and not all need to be hugely complex. i also like that the quality can be set on a per preset basis.

the tone of the synth is very NI, so its familarity may keep it from seeming earth shatteringly new, but i certainly like it. but there is no question that the overall character of the synth is really speaking to me, from the cool look to the very modern synthetic sound, fun modulations, and aggressive tendencies. this is starting to feel like one of those rare products that seems as if it was made for me. and with the discount coupon i got from NI, the purchase of massive is a no-brainer.

[ew]

Do most of you try out these demos on your main daw? I'm a little wary of doing so, as my daw is clean and stable. I tried the Massive demo on my internet machine, but I want to see what it's like with my daw's cpu, keyboard, knobs, etc.

Is it safe? And if so, does the demo work in Kore?

Yeah, I do all my testing on my DAW (and I do a lot of testing). How else are you going to find out if it works in a production environment?

As to whether it works in KORE or not, the plugin itself will work. You'll have to load the .ksds from the Massive plugin's GUI. See this sticky I put up in the KORE forum;

http://www.nativeinstruments.de/forum_u ... hp?t=40292

The next KORE update brings full compatibility with the new plugins, and it'll be out soon.

ew

[dezai (2)]

Thanks for the reply, ew. To be honest, there's never been a VSTi demo that I've wanted to try on my daw, until Massive (of course!). It sounds great and I love the interface.

[dirty oscillators]

i just downloaded the FM8 demo and it's great. for real though, Arturia should learn a few things from Native Instruments and how they treat potential customers.