Hey guys-
I am doing hip hop beats on pro tools and I am looking into getting a sampler. If I am going to stay within software based samplers (which it looks like I am) I would like to open this forum to a dicussion about what software samplers would be best for what I am doing. I am looking for something that can take a sample sound and create a instrument out of it (creat that sound on all the notes of the keyboard). I also want to be able to easily control single hit samples that I use to create the drum beat and samples I get from records that I chop up. I have looked between kontakt2, battery 3, and sampletank 2. Any suggestions? Thanks
Software-based sampler! Questions and Suggestions
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- KVRist
- 74 posts since 27 Nov, 2006
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- KVRian
- 1298 posts since 11 Jun, 2004 from dublin
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- KVRist
- Topic Starter
- 74 posts since 27 Nov, 2006
how would u compare shortcurcuit to other software based samplers such as kontak or battery??
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- KVRist
- Topic Starter
- 74 posts since 27 Nov, 2006
also, does shortcurcuit have a time strecher? If it dosen't are there any CHEAP programs that all they do is time stretch a sample??
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- KVRAF
- 4345 posts since 8 Mar, 2005
If i were you, i'd go kontakt. Currently it seems to be the cream of the crop. Also, note that it can support almost any format, so you have a lot of sample CDs of various formats that work in kontakt.
If you wanted to do mainly beats though, i'd say GURU, hands down. It can slice loops and give you a drumkit, and make sequencing beats a whole lot funner. Its like an Akai MPC in steroids.
If you wanted to do mainly beats though, i'd say GURU, hands down. It can slice loops and give you a drumkit, and make sequencing beats a whole lot funner. Its like an Akai MPC in steroids.
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- KVRist
- Topic Starter
- 74 posts since 27 Nov, 2006
can guru do all the other sampler stuff that want like being able to take a single sample sound and bassically make a instrument out of it by having each note represent a the same sample only in different pitches according to the natural steps of notes? thanks
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- KVRAF
- 4345 posts since 8 Mar, 2005
Close. Guru can take a sample and map it into different pitches. But if you're asking if it can do brass, strings, etc., NO it cant. Its only mainly for hits.
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- KVRist
- 360 posts since 22 Oct, 2005
i know your response is probably going to be negative since your a pro tools user and theres hatred for fruity loops for some odd reason....but buy fruityloops, and use it as a plug-in in pro tools...
youll have everything your asking for and then some...plus it would actually cost you less than buying battery or kontakt or almost anything for that matter...
youll have everything your asking for and then some...plus it would actually cost you less than buying battery or kontakt or almost anything for that matter...
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- KVRist
- Topic Starter
- 74 posts since 27 Nov, 2006
thanks guys. everyone is giving me different advice im getting more confused! its good though its gives me a better idea whats going on... anyways, i diddnt know the FL is a sampler. Can u make instruments out of a single sample?? Can it time stretch, pitch stretch, etc? I thought that FL was just something to sequence with. I am not opposed at all to FL as a plug in if it does what I need. Also, any other opinions on Shortcircuit? It seems to be a good bargain...
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- KVRAF
- 3139 posts since 6 Sep, 2002 from United Kingdom & Opinions Will Travel :O)
OH! You are doing HipHopThePizzer22 wrote:Hey guys-
I am doing hip hop beats on pro tools and I am looking into getting a sampler. If I am going to stay within software based samplers (which it looks like I am) I would like to open this forum to a dicussion about what software samplers would be best for what I am doing. I am looking for something that can take a sample sound and create a instrument out of it (creat that sound on all the notes of the keyboard). I also want to be able to easily control single hit samples that I use to create the drum beat and samples I get from records that I chop up. I have looked between kontakt2, battery 3, and sampletank 2. Any suggestions? Thanks
Well quite a few of the big name hiphop guys in the US do use ProTools (I personally have never used pro tools, nor do I know what they bolt into it - I do know MPC's get used a lot in combination with other hardware devices connected to ProTools).
Anyhow, FL Studio could well be an alternative - check out the demo, you might be able to do your beats in FL then render them out for completion in ProTools.
FL at its most basic, could be considered a very advanced MPC
Best regards,
Spe3d
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- KVRAF
- 3528 posts since 18 Apr, 2002 from British Columbia, Canada
here's another plug for FL Studio. you really can't go wrong with it. In fact there are quite a few hip hop artists that are using Just fl and nothing else, and although that is a fine possibility, you could just use it as a sampler - the most amazing sampler ever made, basically 
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- KVRAF
- 3528 posts since 18 Apr, 2002 from British Columbia, Canada
oh, there's also EnergyXT; it also can be a plugin, and it has a top of the heap sampler built in, plus you can use audio part components for samples in a really cool way: ie, compose loops visually by adding, chopping, and rearanging samples/loops, and then triggering them with MIDI notes!!
personally, i think energy XT is the ULTIMATE hiphop tool. I used to do abstract style with a DJ and a freestyler (sativanaut, and demoe -vic,BC) and if i had EnergyXT back then I would have been in absolute heaven.
personally, i think energy XT is the ULTIMATE hiphop tool. I used to do abstract style with a DJ and a freestyler (sativanaut, and demoe -vic,BC) and if i had EnergyXT back then I would have been in absolute heaven.
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- KVRAF
- 1972 posts since 18 Apr, 2004
i'd go with fruity loops or ableton Live, for what you want to do you want something that has an sample audio slicer for sure. It's a very tough call because without a doubt ableton Live is the dopest shit imho, the only problem is that it doesn't have a slicer in it, thats automatic, you've got to keep pressing cntrl+E and slpitting the file manualy and if you're into slicing alot of your vinyl that can get tedious for the jobs where you're just extracting hits, but outside of that it's by far the way to go and it's a breeze to just record your sample source, mangle the f**k out of it and sequence those samples into new creations.
fruity on the other hand is very very dope as well, not as intuitive as Live but it has a couple of sample slicers which work wonderfully, and a few intruments that are especialy nice for working with samples like the 'wavetraveller' drop your slices into that and go to town, and unlike the other choices out there fruity has the wonderful audio editor and slicer called 'Edison' which is really a treat to work with and after slicing with Edison you can drag and drop the slices anywhere else into the program that you might need them such as the drumsampler called 'the FPC' its like an MPC emulator, and any other instrument in fruity.
you know I would get both if I could afford them, they really make an extremely creative combination.
if you didn't need to record any samples like off of vinyl or whatever source, then i'd say that almost any other samplers out there would work well for you, Guru being probably the best way to go but being that you're not just using loop libraries you need something that will allow you to get down in there and slice shit up as well as mangle the slices.
another option which I whole heartedly support is getting some hardware, like an akai mpc-1000, which will allow you to record samples, slice them up, map them automaticly or manualy, sequence them, and yes it will allow you to use its auto-chromatic feature so that you can pitch samples up and down the keyboard scale and play'em like that. being a piece of hardware it's very imediate and intuitive, the quickest at what it does and feels very inspiring to use. you'd find your self not looking at the computer and using your ears more and more every day. I'm a firm believer of this type of hybrid system. I use an mpc-1000, Ableton Live, fruity, and protools (when i have to) it's a very potent combination that will lend you endless possibilities as a samplist. and the mpc is cheap for like $630. you could pick up what you need. you can also install an internal laptop hard drive in it, plus it comes with a compactflash slot so you can use those, it'll have 128mg of ram which is suprisingly alot for this type of production.
it also doubles as my midi controller for Live and fruity. in closing there is nothing Like relaxing on your bed with your MPCs hard drive full of samples that you have aquired from various sources with a pair of headphones, no computer, just your ears and the beats your making. I wouldn't want to be without Ableton Live it is equaly inspiring but in a different way hence the hybrid setup path i've chosen.
fruity on the other hand is very very dope as well, not as intuitive as Live but it has a couple of sample slicers which work wonderfully, and a few intruments that are especialy nice for working with samples like the 'wavetraveller' drop your slices into that and go to town, and unlike the other choices out there fruity has the wonderful audio editor and slicer called 'Edison' which is really a treat to work with and after slicing with Edison you can drag and drop the slices anywhere else into the program that you might need them such as the drumsampler called 'the FPC' its like an MPC emulator, and any other instrument in fruity.
you know I would get both if I could afford them, they really make an extremely creative combination.
if you didn't need to record any samples like off of vinyl or whatever source, then i'd say that almost any other samplers out there would work well for you, Guru being probably the best way to go but being that you're not just using loop libraries you need something that will allow you to get down in there and slice shit up as well as mangle the slices.
another option which I whole heartedly support is getting some hardware, like an akai mpc-1000, which will allow you to record samples, slice them up, map them automaticly or manualy, sequence them, and yes it will allow you to use its auto-chromatic feature so that you can pitch samples up and down the keyboard scale and play'em like that. being a piece of hardware it's very imediate and intuitive, the quickest at what it does and feels very inspiring to use. you'd find your self not looking at the computer and using your ears more and more every day. I'm a firm believer of this type of hybrid system. I use an mpc-1000, Ableton Live, fruity, and protools (when i have to) it's a very potent combination that will lend you endless possibilities as a samplist. and the mpc is cheap for like $630. you could pick up what you need. you can also install an internal laptop hard drive in it, plus it comes with a compactflash slot so you can use those, it'll have 128mg of ram which is suprisingly alot for this type of production.
it also doubles as my midi controller for Live and fruity. in closing there is nothing Like relaxing on your bed with your MPCs hard drive full of samples that you have aquired from various sources with a pair of headphones, no computer, just your ears and the beats your making. I wouldn't want to be without Ableton Live it is equaly inspiring but in a different way hence the hybrid setup path i've chosen.