How many of you know music theory?If not,do you feel limited

Chords, scales, harmony, melody, etc.
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afreshcupofjoe wrote:"Music theory" and "music reading" skills have very little to do with each other. I don't feel that being able to read music or not in this day and age will make much of a difference. For a professional musician who does gigs in jazz groups, orchestras, pit bands, or for weddings or events it is very important. You have to be able to learn and interpret lots of music quickly and on the spot. But for the average producer or musician making music at home, or playing in a rock band with friends it is not important. Most of the guys who got famous doing this stuff don't know how to read music either. Notation is just a way of communicating with other musicians, and since technology has created many other ways of doing that, as well making it easier for solo musicians to do most of the work themselves, notation is becoming less and less relevant.

Music theory on the other hand is a whole different story. I am of the opinion that the importance and relevance of music theory is usually very personal thing. I couldn't live without it. I'm a very technically minded person and it's just how my head works. I know a lot of people that would probably be much better musicians if they would just learn some theory. It also, like notation, helps you to be able to communicate with other musicians easily. It's nice to be able to tell your bandmates that you are playing a A7 chord with a 3-4 suspension than try to spell out all of the notes, or even worse, show them the frets or keys. Even better yet, given that chord you will already know how different combinations of notes will sound over it, and you can easily pick out the notes you will use to construct a melody that is appropriate for the genre or mood you are trying to create. Some people think that learning music theory will make them think too much inside the box, but this is complete nonsense. If you actually follow theory past the basics (which CAN seem rather limiting) it will open up many doors and make you think about and understand music in ways you never would have without it.

However, there are some great musicians who just never really get theory. It just isn't how their head works, and for them it probably will never really matter. So I guess it's a personal thing.

For most genres of music I'd say that knowing music theory is great, but it isn't entirely necessary. Film may be an exception though. Because you have to know how to write for different moods and generate certain emotional responses or suspense in certain parts of the film, it seems like it would be very important to know your theory. This is exactly what theory is good at doing: it helps you create exactly what you want when you want it.
great post...


i know a bit of theory and i can pick out notes one at a time, but i never do anyway, just by ear...i wish i learned that shit, and now i know enough to know how much i'm missing....
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afreshcupofjoe wrote:
kaden wrote: The agony of watching the guitarist teach the bassist a song the 'first string, second fret 4 times, then second string, fourth fret twice' method is likely the reason a lot of musicians develop substance abuse issues.
Jesus don't remind me! I've left too many rock bands for exactly that reason. It's amazing that they can ever get anywhere. What's worse is when you're the bassist and you have to tell the freaking guitarist what to do. I'd rather shoot myself in the face than go through that again.
Roger that. And what's worse?

The same guy *proudly* proclaiming that any knowledge of theory would stifle their creativity and rob any subsequent compositions of (this is a verbatim quote) "the cutting edge shit people expect from me".

The lad in question writes I-IV-V rawk tunes about Hot Chicks in Ragtops.

I manfully resisted the urge to throttle the life out of him.
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Great reply.
Agree with that Chukee.

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The Chase wrote:I took two years of music theory in high school. Really I just learned the names of everything I had figured out by myself plus some stuff I'll never use again. Really it just pissed me off since I had to spend an hour in a room full of psuedo-intellectual arty guitarists and super elite "proper" band twats each day. Most of them made shit music before AND after the classes. I thought it was maybe a high school thing but when I looked at the syllibus of the music throey classes at college it was the same shit. You should still look into a bit of theory though.
That is hilarious and inspirational. I had some guitar and saxophone lessons in high school 15 years ago. More recently, I discovered I could be the whole band with my computer and not know much else other than what I think rocks. My first song I ever wrote in FL is still my favorite.

However, I have some very musically talented friends. I am very envious of their ability to pick up instruments and play.

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IM not reading the whole thread, but I have learned and studied theory and like any player who improvises or any musician for that matter, the entire goal of music is to play,, SO Theory can be great or can hinder, If you put in the time(years) to learn and understand theory and it becomes second-nature, and not part of your thought process then its worth it,, BUT theory DOES not make anyone a better musician or artist.. ITs entirely un-important.. I learned it, becasue I love music and I wanted to know what everyhting was,, but on a daily level I hardly ever use theory consciously,, Im sure it may hvae been said in this thread, but its best to learn and then forget, becasue if ya think while you are playing then its not helping you whatsoever.. IF you learn and it becomes a part of you and your playing, then consider it time well spent..
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kaden wrote:
The lad in question writes I-IV-V rawk tunes about Hot Chicks in Ragtops.
I manfully resisted the urge to throttle the life out of him.
:love: what a man...
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I don't want to change the subject, but Kaden's website is very cool.

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Killvehicle wrote: IF you learn and it becomes a part of you and your playing, then consider it time well spent..
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I only know the basics. If course I wish I knew more.
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In retrospect, it was a less than altruistic decision when you consider the hell he's likely putting other guys through at this very moment.
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mistertoast wrote:I know a fair amount of music theory, but can't read music on the fly. Reading music is something I'm going to work on.
This applies to many of us. IMO it depends somewhat on what your main instrument is. People who play instruments that require reading just a single line tend to have excellent sight-reading skills. Pianists tend to be very disciplined about this as well but I think that guitarists tend to get a bad rap about this since it can be somewhat more challenging to sight-read fully notated guitar music (assuming the score hasn't been previously studied, of course :hihi: ).

There are many exaggerations about how well folks read music on the fly. Case in point: years ago William Kraft (American composer and long-time tympanist with the L.A. Philharmonic) spoke at a composition class I was taking about his playing on the recording of Pierre Boulez' "Le Marteau Sans Maitre". The cream of the crop of L.A. composers came through the recording studio to observe and listen to the recording. According to Kraft the only one who wanted to look at the score and was able to turn the pages correctly was Igor Stravinsky. The others just showed initial interest but were either lost or not into it enough to read along with the score.

Understanding what is going on in the music is to me the most important part of learning music theory for anyone interested in composing or arranging. Sight reading usually accompanies that but as with other things like perfect pitch a bit of skepticism is not out of place.

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Great musicians who don't know how to read a note are the exception rather than the rule. Most musicians have to know at least the basics about how music works. These basics--notes, chords, and so on--are called music theory. Musicians apply music theory every time they sit down to play or sing--whether they know it or not.

Knowledge of how different notes work together can help you expand on a simple melody. It can help you know how to accompany a melody with chords, how to turn that simply melody into a fulll-blown arrangement for groups of voices and instruments, and how to create your own melodies and compositions. Knowing music theory can help you communication you musical ideas with others so you can collaborate to play together in a band. Or to discuss the music of others.

Here is a nice statement ab out music theory that I found on another site:
Some people are uncomfortable with the term music theory, because it gives them the impression of mechanical rules and regulations that must be followed.

They prefer to avoid the study of music theory, because it seems incompatible with their desire to simply experiment with satisfying musical sounds.

This is a pity, because music theory is not a restrictive force. It is simply a body of knowledge that has been developed over the centuries, by people experimenting with satisfying musical sounds, and trying to understand why some sounds work better than others.

You can certainly ignore music theory if you wish, and your innate musical sense will still allow you to create something that works. But if you take a little time to understand the musical structures that others have developed, your options will expand enormously.

In most cases, these structures will seem, not foreign or artificial, but more like a statement of a universal truth that you already have a vague sense of. In the process, you will move on to richer, more original, more satisfying creations.

It's kind of like this: I learned about color theory for a graphic design project, but my new knowledge of color has improved my photography, my fashion, even helped me prepare dishes which look more appetizing. It's really opened my eyes to better use of color and has given me a greater appreciation of good--and bad color--choices made by others. True, some people have "an eye" for color, but for someone working with color, such as designers, decorators, landscapers, etc., color theory presents a valuable body of knowledge.
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Im 18 and doing a music tech course at uni at the moment, and im doing bass guitar performace as a minor.

I have taken grade 3 jazz piano, grade 8 popular music theory, and grade 8 bass guitar, but i never took the time to practice sight reading when i was learning the piano/guitar. I always just used to listen to the piece and learn it by ear, i could never be bothered to learn to 'read' music as i always found it far too hard, i can read rhythm notation ok, and so i can read tab+rhythm for example, and i can read chords fine, but as for traditional staff notation nope, it takes me a while to work stuff out.

I know now that if i'd learnt to sight read when i started to learn guitar/paino, that it would be soooo much easier than trying to learn it quick out of 'neccessity'. When you start learning an instrument, you need to learn hand positions and imprint them in your brain, if you learn to read music while your learning to play then you associate your sight+hand position, so both connections get forced into your brain at once. If you learn to read later then I think its harder to get your brain to connect sight with your playing. I think once you get past a certain point of 'reading' music your brain just becomes used to it and you can just read without 'thinking'. I know a few people who can read music no problem, and they dont even think about it, they just look at the music and read it like you'd read a book.

So i now need to get craking on learning to read music. Its always going to be useful, so i think everyone should be able to read music even if its only a little. If i ever have to transfer a piece of notated music into a sequencer for example, it'll take me quite a while, whereas if i'd learn to read quickly then it'd be no problem and i could get onto mixing it/editing it etc.

So i think every one should learn to read music (well, 'western classical notation') if they're working in a music-related environment, you never know when it'll come in handy.

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I'm another theory-yes/reading-no guy. I'm not defensive about it, I don't wish I knew more, and I make music that makes me happy. If I wasn't happy with my abilities, I might imagine that being better educated musically would make a difference. And I might be right - but we'll never know. :D
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