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ericj23 · Post by **ericj23** » Wed Dec 13, 2006 3:30 am

jean michell jarre as a pioneer of elctronic music - jesus these revisionist histories do my nut in

lets see jarre's first album 1977 - not exactly a pioneer then - stevie wonder, gorgio moroder & even throbbing gristle predate his work

and they were good as well

HunterKiller · Post by **HunterKiller** » Wed Dec 13, 2006 3:30 am

herodotus wrote: A guy who has a (probably apocryphal) Hegel quote for a sig is in no position to talk about mentioning obscure cultural figures. Because Hegel is way more obscure than the sound of an Ondes Martinot or a Theremin.
And Varese rocks.
Period.

Are you have a bad day or somethin' buddy? PMS?

Come on man - I wasn't even talking to you - and to set things straight you are in NO position to judge me - what I say or my sig of the month! How bogan of you! Keep your self under check, and do not judge people you don't even know!

FaX · Post by **FaX** » Wed Dec 13, 2006 3:36 am

Armadillo wrote:I'm still waiting for some names of complex electronic music. I'd love to hear something new (for me). Who's the John Williams et al of electronic music?

Aphex twin, BT and Shpongle all been mentioned but is that as good as it gets?
Yes, there's some complex IDM out there but it's rather chaotic for the most part, ie. more like throwing some samples through some FSU plugins and see what happens, rather than having a flowing continuity.

Burnt Friedman
Atom Heart
William Orbit
Flanger
Nine Horses
David Sylvian ( more electronic solo work) + tracks like Linoleum with Chris Vrenna (aka Tweaker).
BT
Aphex Twin
Certain Orbital tracks are IMHO quite Melodically dense and cleverly arranged.
808 State
Some great stuff done by Mark Bell (LFO).
Depeche Mode have had some great complex moments also and I think Martin Gore is a hugely underated song writer in general.
Riyuchi Sakamoto
Tomita
Wendy Carlos
Some of the Kraftwerk material is almost Baroque in melodic structure IMHO.
Graham Massey
Bjorks Material on Vespertine & Homogenic come to mind also.
Vangelis
Future Sound of London (Lifeforms & Dead Cities)
Oh and of course the glorius material by Murcof (Fernando Corona) is hard to beat also from where I stand particularly albums like Martes and Remembranza.
etc etc etc.....

BONES · Post by **BONES** » Wed Dec 13, 2006 4:07 am

ericj23 wrote:lets see jarre's first album 1977 - not exactly a pioneer then - stevie wonder, gorgio moroder & even throbbing gristle predate his work

and they were good as well

And let's not forget Popcorn.

james0tucson · Post by **james0tucson** » Wed Dec 13, 2006 4:10 am

herodotus wrote:
james0tucson wrote:
Lunatique wrote: Man I dunno if you've heard of the big 5, but here are the guys/groups that invented electronic music:
Leon Theremin, Maurice Martenot, Raymond Scott, Louis Barron, and Robert Moog.

Pierre Schaeffer, Harry Olson, Herbert Belar, Edgard Varese, Don Buchla, Pril Smiley, Otto Luening.

I wonder how many "The Big 5's" there are.

I also wonder if anyone else besides the OP regards that same list as "THE" big 5.

I would have been satisfied to place Raymond Scott as "The Big One", personally.

FaX · Post by **FaX** » Wed Dec 13, 2006 4:15 am

BONES wrote:
ericj23 wrote:lets see jarre's first album 1977 - not exactly a pioneer then - stevie wonder, gorgio moroder & even throbbing gristle predate his work

and they were good as well
And let's not forget Popcorn.

Ba Da BipBip BipBipBop
Bip Da Bip Bip-e-da-Bop
Bi Bi
Bi-Bi-Bi
B-B-bi-da-bi-bi
Bu Ba Bi DoBipaBop

dalor · Post by **dalor** » Wed Dec 13, 2006 4:31 am

BONES wrote:
ericj23 wrote:lets see jarre's first album 1977 - not exactly a pioneer then - stevie wonder, gorgio moroder & even throbbing gristle predate his work

and they were good as well
And let's not forget Popcorn.

No please, let's forget Popcorn. It was funny as a child. Let's leave it there.

Ambisphere · Post by **Ambisphere** » Wed Dec 13, 2006 4:47 am

Ever try composing a Psychedelic Trance track? Not so simple, and hardly simplistic.

Lunatique · Post by **Lunatique** » Wed Dec 13, 2006 4:51 am

You guys seem to think I'm criticizing or accusing, but I'm not--I'm simply exploring the reasons why beat-driven electronic music doesn't work well with complex harmonies and counterpoint in the way other types of music could. Complex doesn't mean it's better, and simple doesn't mean it's inferior. Nowhere did I say that was the case. Some of my favorite songs are simple as hell--3 repeating chords and a basic beat, with a pleasant melody on top.

BONES · Post by **BONES** » Wed Dec 13, 2006 5:00 am

In that case, I think we're done.

deaf dunderkwac · Post by **deaf dunderkwac** » Wed Dec 13, 2006 5:01 am

so maybe the question you need to ask doesn't exclusively have to do with 'electronic music'.

Most beat-driven music is a bit simplistic, in my opinion.
(hee I have some of those... opinions)

dalor · Post by **dalor** » Wed Dec 13, 2006 5:21 am

I see music (electronic, classic or whatever) as an expression of your mood. It can make you dance, aggressive, smile, think - and sometimes even vomit (in case its country music). Listen to what you feel like, if electronic music doesn't work for you then there is an eqivalent in another music style (there must be).

frequency_algorithm · Post by **frequency_algorithm** » Wed Dec 13, 2006 5:27 am

i've heard tons of complex shit from electronic peeps. What about goldies timeless? Where the f**k you been all these years?

vespers75 · Post by **vespers75** » Wed Dec 13, 2006 5:45 am

I feel that Ulver's 'Perdition City' is quite complex on many levels...regarding composition, texture, songwriting craft, etc.

herodotus · Post by **herodotus** » Wed Dec 13, 2006 5:46 am

HunterKiller wrote:
herodotus wrote: A guy who has a (probably apocryphal) Hegel quote for a sig is in no position to talk about mentioning obscure cultural figures. Because Hegel is way more obscure than the sound of an Ondes Martinot or a Theremin.
And Varese rocks.
Period.

Are you have a bad day or somethin' buddy? PMS?

Come on man - I wasn't even talking to you - and to set things straight you are in NO position to judge me - what I say or my sig of the month! How bogan of you! Keep your self under check, and do not judge people you don't even know!

Oh settle down.

I am not judging you.

I'm sure you're a wonderful person.

And I like Hegel. I even read his Philosophy of History. Though I'll admit that the Phenomenology of Spirit did confuse me a bit.

Why is electronic dance music typically very simple?