Why is electronic dance music typically very simple?

[nuffink]

Music's been getting gradually less complex ever since the baroque period.

Possibly rococo.

Though, long term, 4:33 might have started a backlash.





I'll get me coat. Again.

Jazz

Bluegrass

Jazz and Bluegrass as a reaction to 4:33?

Challenging stuff.

Jazz and Bluegrass in response to your assertion that music has become less complex.

Ahh. I see.

[Chuck E. Jesus]

They are a good place to toss ideas around and get different perspectives. Generally they get filled up with people who have some need to be "right" or "compete" or win an argument or something rather than people who are actually interested in considering {different} ideas.

it also seems to show who's into the TD stuff, the dance stuff, the weirdo "idm" stuff, the academic stuff, they all tend to hate everything else (read some posts in this thread before anyone jumps down my throat)...but their are always those that just like music, have their own tastes, and have open minds...and then there are those who don't really care..

[RTaylor]

Ahh. I see.

Just to crank up the clarity a bit:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jazz_music
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bluegrass_music

[nuffink]

Ahh. I see.

Just to crank up the clarity a bit:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jazz_music
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bluegrass_music

Thanks.

I'd love to engage but there are these bad people around who have some need to be "right" or "compete" or win an argument or something and, frankly, I think you're one of 'em.

And I'm a bit scared.

[RTaylor]

They are a good place to toss ideas around and get different perspectives. Generally they get filled up with people who have some need to be "right" or "compete" or win an argument or something rather than people who are actually interested in considering {different} ideas.

it also seems to show who's into the TD stuff, the dance stuff, the weirdo "idm" stuff, the academic stuff, they all tend to hate everything else (read some posts in this thread before anyone jumps down my throat)...but their are always those that just like music, have their own tastes, and have open minds...and then there are those who don't really care..

That "hating" thing always strikes me as a little silly. Even Slick Rick has a little something to offer and disco gave us Gloria Gaynor. The "open mind" thing strkes me as being pretty important.

{Though, I have no idea what you see in the Carpenters.}

[RTaylor]

I'd love to engage but there are these bad people around who have some need to be "right" or "compete" or win an argument or something and, frankly, I think you're one of 'em.

That's too bad.

[nuffink]

Maybe it's your horse. It's a bit high.

[Chuck E. Jesus]

They are a good place to toss ideas around and get different perspectives. Generally they get filled up with people who have some need to be "right" or "compete" or win an argument or something rather than people who are actually interested in considering {different} ideas.

it also seems to show who's into the TD stuff, the dance stuff, the weirdo "idm" stuff, the academic stuff, they all tend to hate everything else (read some posts in this thread before anyone jumps down my throat)...but their are always those that just like music, have their own tastes, and have open minds...and then there are those who don't really care..

That "hating" thing always strikes me as a little silly. Even Slick Rick has a little something to offer and disco gave us Gloria Gaynor. The "open mind" thing strkes me as being pretty important.

{Though, I have no idea what you see in the Carpenters.}

vox as smooth as a newborns ass...



"merry christmas darrrrrliiiiiing"

[clueless]

Maybe it's your horse. It's a bit high.

But is it enjoying the trance?

[Chuck E. Jesus]

Maybe it's your horse. It's a bit high.

But is it enjoying the trance?

Trigger is nodding in the corner....


(btw thanks for the clips...)

[goldbaker]

To get back to the question:

There are some very sophisticated electronic music composers. However, I think part of the answer is that many "conservatory" musicians can't be bothered with the technical sound stuff, and many of the people who love manipulating sound don't bother much about music theory, or have different goals in the productions (dance music, etc.). Personally, I think it's just a matter of time before the two worlds meet -- they're getting there already. I've heard some stuff by Hybrid that I thought was interesting. I think that's direction things may be going.

Part of my goal has been to integrate at least partly more complex musical structures with newer sounds. I suppose it's not really appropriate to suggest you listen to my stuff here, but ... you can always check out the link below. (Try "Tracker Overture")

[adj]

dribble dribble dribble...

*relax DUDE and get a sense of humour..

Yeah you did that with so much originality, insight, depth and cleverness, it just went over our heads, that it was 'humor'.

No troll boy -- I did it with no originality, no insight, no depth or cleverness and it STILL went 'swooosh' over your f**king head didn't it...

i don't think anything you've said has gone over anyone's head...

Ahh, another troll -- 7 months on the board, 2500 posts of nothing but snied comments, and no music...

Shouldn't you hike off to <alt.ImALoser> where you'd be more at home?


Cheers,
Alex

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It probably has been said already - but I'm too lazy to spell out these 8 pages of answers for a second time:

In addition to the classical complexities (chord progressions, modulations, counterpoint, etc), much modern electronic music contains different complexities, that were unheard of in the time of Bach or Schumann or Gershwin. The complexities of mixing rhythms and sounds, moving sounds, layering, etc. That might make the main melody simple, but apparently now we have sounds that can pull it off.

Good points here Hans -- and not forgetting a myriad of FX.

Actually Tomita is someone Rob should be familiar with as well


Cheers,
Alex

[Chuck E. Jesus]

dribble dribble dribble...

*relax DUDE and get a sense of humour..

Yeah you did that with so much originality, insight, depth and cleverness, it just went over our heads, that it was 'humor'.

No troll boy -- I did it with no originality, no insight, no depth or cleverness and it STILL went 'swooosh' over your f**king head didn't it...

i don't think anything you've said has gone over anyone's head...

Ahh, another troll -- 7 months on the board, 2500 posts of nothing but snied comments, and no music...

Shouldn't you hike off to <alt.ImALoser> where you'd be more at home?


Cheers,
Alex

i think i have the right to discuss music on KVR as long as i like w/o posting a single bit of music...i can also engage in "gay banter" as well, and besides the few punks, i find the conversation friendly and stimulating....if and/or when i decide to post some music it won't be because i have anything to prove to the likes of you...

[Sequent]

Well, and Hybrid is now working with Harry Gregson-Williams on some stuff. Not that he's classical per se, but still.

And then you hear some "electronified" songs with a dance-type approach pop up sometimes as bonus tracks on albums of people who would not otherwise be considered as dance oriented.

And now I'm beginning to come across some classically trained people who are working with a pop/dance format (e.g. Gracia).

So, yeah, at some levels the two worlds will meet and have met, or at least you will find ever more people who are willing to explore the combinations.

To get back to the question:

There are some very sophisticated electronic music composers. However, I think part of the answer is that many "conservatory" musicians can't be bothered with the technical sound stuff, and many of the people who love manipulating sound don't bother much about music theory, or have different goals in the productions (dance music, etc.). Personally, I think it's just a matter of time before the two worlds meet -- they're getting there already. I've heard some stuff by Hybrid that I thought was interesting. I think that's direction things may be going.

Part of my goal has been to integrate at least partly more complex musical structures with newer sounds. I suppose it's not really appropriate to suggest you listen to my stuff here, but ... you can always check out the link below. (Try "Tracker Overture")