Hello,
I'm new to the ManyTone world and relatively new to VSTs. I play left hand keyboard bass in a band situation and want to achieve a more realistic sound. I've just purchased UBK (as well as the other bass libraries) and am having some difficulty in configuring it for a live situation. Typically I use a split on an 88 note keyboard, with piano from about note E3 and up and bass everything below E3.
Has anyone created presets specifically for a live situation? I would like to be able to accomplish the most realistic sound possible using this limited keyboard range. I suspect that something can be accomplished by using some velocity layering. Any suggestions?
As well I have a specific question. How can I map the slides so that are triggered by notes A0 to C#1? That way I will be able to trigger them with my left hand.
Thank you,
- David
UBK/[Edit]ManyBass for Live Playing
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- "The" Jazz
- 4614 posts since 18 Aug, 2004 from California, United States
Are you using ManyStation to play the UBK sounds, or are you using the soundfonts?
Greg Schlaepfer
Orange Tree Samples
Ultra-realistic sample libraries for Kontakt
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- Mod-ulator
- 2895 posts since 31 Oct, 2000 from "Where I'm to, There I'll be"
I think David has ManyStation and all our Bass addons if i recall.
In fact David I think I replied just now to your mail you sent so i'll mention a bit of that here.
Yes you can split, See some of the 700 included presets ...some of them will show you how this is done, easily using the layers of ManyStation and the split setting on the GUI. (Zones - Key)
There are tons of great bass presets included as long as you put the presets as well as the soundsets in the right place.... you will get access to the presets in the ManyStation GUI. From those you can easily put the piano on the right hand and Bass on the left etc using the split feature on the GUI (Zones - Key) and the Layers and the Tune Function. (Tune function if you wish to move the soundsets up or down on the keyboard)
See some of the included "split" presets in ManyStation and you will get an understanding of this (also some other presets have it but are not named Split.). In these presets, just replace/change/switch your soundsets out if you want different sounds ...(a couple clicks) and tweak to perfection.
I'm sure Greg will answer the more specific UBK questions. There is plenty of ways to Blend the sets and shift them about using velocity and zone settings in the different layers. Again some presets included show this, so just watch out for them and it will help you understand the possibilities better.
Thanks
Paul
In fact David I think I replied just now to your mail you sent so i'll mention a bit of that here.
Yes you can split, See some of the 700 included presets ...some of them will show you how this is done, easily using the layers of ManyStation and the split setting on the GUI. (Zones - Key)
There are tons of great bass presets included as long as you put the presets as well as the soundsets in the right place.... you will get access to the presets in the ManyStation GUI. From those you can easily put the piano on the right hand and Bass on the left etc using the split feature on the GUI (Zones - Key) and the Layers and the Tune Function. (Tune function if you wish to move the soundsets up or down on the keyboard)
See some of the included "split" presets in ManyStation and you will get an understanding of this (also some other presets have it but are not named Split.). In these presets, just replace/change/switch your soundsets out if you want different sounds ...(a couple clicks) and tweak to perfection.
I'm sure Greg will answer the more specific UBK questions. There is plenty of ways to Blend the sets and shift them about using velocity and zone settings in the different layers. Again some presets included show this, so just watch out for them and it will help you understand the possibilities better.
Thanks
Paul
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- KVRer
- Topic Starter
- 17 posts since 16 Nov, 2006
Thanks for the quick replies!
Yes. I do use ManyStation to play the soundsets. I should also clarify that I already have other piano VSTs that I use. I can already accomplish the split functionality.
What I would like some advice on is how to get a realistic sounding bass (with lots of variation) just in the lower portion of the keyboard. Currently many of the presets have the samples laid out over the entire keyboard. Particularly some of the slides are in a portion of the keyboard that is not available in my split.
In my research last night it appears that the Mapper program may allow me to change where on the keyboard certain samples are played. Is this correct?
Thank you,
- David
Yes. I do use ManyStation to play the soundsets. I should also clarify that I already have other piano VSTs that I use. I can already accomplish the split functionality.
What I would like some advice on is how to get a realistic sounding bass (with lots of variation) just in the lower portion of the keyboard. Currently many of the presets have the samples laid out over the entire keyboard. Particularly some of the slides are in a portion of the keyboard that is not available in my split.
In my research last night it appears that the Mapper program may allow me to change where on the keyboard certain samples are played. Is this correct?
Thank you,
- David
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- Mod-ulator
- 2895 posts since 31 Oct, 2000 from "Where I'm to, There I'll be"
Hi David
Yes, ManyMapper will allow you to open the soundsets and remap them as you wish. You can also Blend soundsets and again Map as you wish. So this may help you get more of what you are after for your own tastes. Don't forget to check the mapper manual for a few tips etc. Also sometimes you can just move the sets around on your keys in ManyStation by using the tune function, the layers, and the Zone settings, without remapping.
Thanks again
Paul
Yes, ManyMapper will allow you to open the soundsets and remap them as you wish. You can also Blend soundsets and again Map as you wish. So this may help you get more of what you are after for your own tastes. Don't forget to check the mapper manual for a few tips etc. Also sometimes you can just move the sets around on your keys in ManyStation by using the tune function, the layers, and the Zone settings, without remapping.
Thanks again
Paul
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- KVRer
- Topic Starter
- 17 posts since 16 Nov, 2006
Hello Paul, GregJazz:
I've been playing with ManyMapper and the UBK Fingered soundset, trying to move some of the slides to the lower range of the keyboard. I'm want to setup some of the slides to be on A0-C1 (or A1-C2 - depending on whether or not I use the transpose). I can't figure out how to move the sounds. Does it displace the existing sounds on those keys?
Could you walk through the process tomove the slide that is currently on C6 to C1?
Thank you,
- David
I've been playing with ManyMapper and the UBK Fingered soundset, trying to move some of the slides to the lower range of the keyboard. I'm want to setup some of the slides to be on A0-C1 (or A1-C2 - depending on whether or not I use the transpose). I can't figure out how to move the sounds. Does it displace the existing sounds on those keys?
Could you walk through the process tomove the slide that is currently on C6 to C1?
Thank you,
- David
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- "The" Jazz
- 4614 posts since 18 Aug, 2004 from California, United States
Hi David,
I can definitely walk you through the process. I just got some nifty screen capture software, and I'd love to test it out.
I'll have a video for you soon.
I can definitely walk you through the process. I just got some nifty screen capture software, and I'd love to test it out.
I'll have a video for you soon.
Greg Schlaepfer
Orange Tree Samples
Ultra-realistic sample libraries for Kontakt
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Ultra-realistic sample libraries for Kontakt
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- Mod-ulator
- 2895 posts since 31 Oct, 2000 from "Where I'm to, There I'll be"
Ohhh. that sounds cool Greg, We should try to do some that show the basics of the ManyMapper also if this works well for you.
You know, the quick tricks that make it easy once you know them.
Looking forward to this.
Cheers
Paul
You know, the quick tricks that make it easy once you know them.
Looking forward to this.
Cheers
Paul
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- KVRer
- Topic Starter
- 17 posts since 16 Nov, 2006
Hi Greg
I did manage some success with ManyMapper, but it did require a lot of trial and error. It took me a while to figure out how the root note and ranges worked - and also the multiple velocity layers. I still think it would be worthwhile for me and other users to see some screen shots.
How does manymapper handle the case when more than one sound is mapped to the same key with the same velocity settings? Does it just play the first sound (that's what it sounded like to me)?
Thanks for the help,
- David
I did manage some success with ManyMapper, but it did require a lot of trial and error. It took me a while to figure out how the root note and ranges worked - and also the multiple velocity layers. I still think it would be worthwhile for me and other users to see some screen shots.
How does manymapper handle the case when more than one sound is mapped to the same key with the same velocity settings? Does it just play the first sound (that's what it sounded like to me)?
Thanks for the help,
- David
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- "The" Jazz
- 4614 posts since 18 Aug, 2004 from California, United States
Okay here's a quick video showing how you'd go about moving those slides:
http://www.gregjazz.com/upload/manymapp ... ndsets.wmv
The videos will get better as I get more practice, but it's a start.
http://www.gregjazz.com/upload/manymapp ... ndsets.wmv
The videos will get better as I get more practice, but it's a start.
Greg Schlaepfer
Orange Tree Samples
Ultra-realistic sample libraries for Kontakt
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Ultra-realistic sample libraries for Kontakt
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- Mod-ulator
- 2895 posts since 31 Oct, 2000 from "Where I'm to, There I'll be"
Yes, Not bad at all Greg
One thing I will point out about what you did in the video, is that you can also rename the soundset before you save it and then you do not overwrite your original set if you put it in the same folder.
Other than that, I sure know we could show you guys a few more tricks with the videos.
Great start Greg, I hope you are able to do more of these for the users.
Paul
One thing I will point out about what you did in the video, is that you can also rename the soundset before you save it and then you do not overwrite your original set if you put it in the same folder.
Other than that, I sure know we could show you guys a few more tricks with the videos.
Great start Greg, I hope you are able to do more of these for the users.
Paul
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- "The" Jazz
- 4614 posts since 18 Aug, 2004 from California, United States
Yeah, it's a start. It'll take some practice and fine-tuning (getting the right compression so the video's still watchable) and also maybe figuring out what I'm going to say before making the video! 
Greg Schlaepfer
Orange Tree Samples
Ultra-realistic sample libraries for Kontakt
Orange Tree Samples
Ultra-realistic sample libraries for Kontakt
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- KVRer
- Topic Starter
- 17 posts since 16 Nov, 2006
Excellent work Greg!
It was great to see the use of the shortcut keys. I had accomplished the move by clicking on the existing slide note/wav and then clicking SetRoot and then SetRange to move it. Much simpler using the shortcut keys!
1. Can you explain how the velocity layers work? Is each layer moved in a separate move operation?
2. How does manymapper handle the case when more than one sound is mapped to the same key with the same velocity settings? Does it just play the first sound (that's what it sounded like to me)?
3. What is the advantage/disadvantage of handling the velocity layers in the soundset as opposed to using velocity layers through the presets?
It looks like the ManyMapper is an important tool for tweaking the soundsets for a particular users' needs. I'm sure glad you guys made it available to us!
Thank you for all the assistance!
- David
It was great to see the use of the shortcut keys. I had accomplished the move by clicking on the existing slide note/wav and then clicking SetRoot and then SetRange to move it. Much simpler using the shortcut keys!
1. Can you explain how the velocity layers work? Is each layer moved in a separate move operation?
2. How does manymapper handle the case when more than one sound is mapped to the same key with the same velocity settings? Does it just play the first sound (that's what it sounded like to me)?
3. What is the advantage/disadvantage of handling the velocity layers in the soundset as opposed to using velocity layers through the presets?
It looks like the ManyMapper is an important tool for tweaking the soundsets for a particular users' needs. I'm sure glad you guys made it available to us!
Thank you for all the assistance!
- David
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- "The" Jazz
- 4614 posts since 18 Aug, 2004 from California, United States
Basically your velocity settings go from 0 to 127: 0 being the quietest, 127 being the loudest. Each layer can have a range in the velocity spectrum (it would help to switch into the velocity range view in the mapper to see this: just click on that little button to the left of the keyboard view).DBrendon wrote: 1. Can you explain how the velocity layers work? Is each layer moved in a separate move operation?
So if I wanted to have 2 velocity layers, one triggered when you press the key loudly, and one when you press the key normally or quietly, I would make the first sample's velocity settings go from 100-127 (pressing loudly to trigger), and the other one would go from 0-99 (everything else). You always want to have the entire velocity range (0-127) covered, otherwise there'll be "blank portions" where no note sounds.
I'm not exactly sure, but I do know that you can't have more than one sound mapped to the same key and velocity settings. I think, actually, when you compile it and run the .bat file, the converter will come up with an error.DBrendon wrote: 2. How does manymapper handle the case when more than one sound is mapped to the same key with the same velocity settings? Does it just play the first sound (that's what it sounded like to me)?
Well, if you're using it in ManyOne or ManyGuitar, where you can only load one soundset at a time, it's good to already have those settings configured in the soundset.DBrendon wrote: 3. What is the advantage/disadvantage of handling the velocity layers in the soundset as opposed to using velocity layers through the presets?
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- KVRer
- Topic Starter
- 17 posts since 16 Nov, 2006
Hi Greg,
Any suggestions on how to use the fret noise for more realistic playing? I would like to layer those in somehow but obviously don't want to overuse.
I suspect that fret noise's are mostly heard on quiet parts. If that is the case then the idea would be have them triggered by low velocities.
Also it would seem to me that you wouldn't want them on every note, but maybe dispersed on a few notes over the range.
Your thoughts would be appreciated.
Thank you,
- David
BTW, the guys that I'm jamming with are very impressed with the new bass sounds! Even though I've only worked 2 of the new bass sounds into my setup they are a very welcome addition. Thanks!
Any suggestions on how to use the fret noise for more realistic playing? I would like to layer those in somehow but obviously don't want to overuse.
I suspect that fret noise's are mostly heard on quiet parts. If that is the case then the idea would be have them triggered by low velocities.
Also it would seem to me that you wouldn't want them on every note, but maybe dispersed on a few notes over the range.
Your thoughts would be appreciated.
Thank you,
- David
BTW, the guys that I'm jamming with are very impressed with the new bass sounds! Even though I've only worked 2 of the new bass sounds into my setup they are a very welcome addition. Thanks!