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nuffink · Post by **nuffink** » Thu Dec 21, 2006 11:16 am

Only at kvr. Home of pasty white men who know, theoretically, how to cut a rug (if only they could lever themselves away from their monitors).

Dance music doesn't need to be in 23/16 with added cross rhythms to be good. It doesn't have to be played on a timpani drum by an old git with white hair and a shiny suit.
You are just as likely to hear/feel great rhythmic complexity inside the boom-chick-bap-chick of a funky house tune as you are from some stoned shaman in the middle of Africa.
The Rite of Spring is a great piece of music but an appalling dance tune. You need years of training, a pair of tights and the suspension of disbelief that a £50 ticket brings to your audience to get away with it.

adj · Post by **adj** » Thu Dec 21, 2006 11:19 am

stevieb19 · Post by **stevieb19** » Thu Dec 21, 2006 11:35 am

OK, well I admit my post was a bit trollish, but I went to a Goldie w/Metalheadz show just last weekend here in Tokyo (at Unit), and the music and the dancing was just spiritually bankrupt. The music was in fact spiritually, emotionally, and politically void of any meaning what so ever. The MC would not shut the f**k up and he only repeated mindless drivel like "TOKYO! TOKYO! TOKYO!" and "I LOVE THE DRUMS I LOVE THE BASS I LOVE THE DRUMS I LOVE THE BASS" I was embarassed for him. The music sounded good and the sound system was incredible--but if just got old pretty quick. Speaking for myself, and from what the others I talked to after the show had to say, it was a disappointing experience.

The MC is hardly to blame for the music although I do take your point because when I have DJ'd at D&B Gigs here in the UK I have been known to drop th MC's mike out at times and blame it on a lead problem just to get a few minutes peace.

However, to back the MC a little, it is very difficult as an MC to do your usual set which is in English (sort of)when nearly everyone in the venue is not understanding a f****in word you say. So my suggestion is he probably dumbed it down because he thought he should.

stevieb19 · Post by **stevieb19** » Thu Dec 21, 2006 11:37 am

nuffink wrote:Only at kvr. Home of pasty white men who know, theoretically, how to cut a rug (if only they could lever themselves away from their monitors).

The Rite of Spring is a great piece of music but an appalling dance tune. You need years of training, a pair of tights and the suspension of disbelief that a £50 ticket brings to your audience to get away with it.

maxhodges1 · Post by **maxhodges1** » Thu Dec 21, 2006 1:03 pm

nuffink wrote:Only at kvr. Home of pasty white men who know, theoretically, how to cut a rug (if only they could lever themselves away from their monitors).

Dance music doesn't need to be in 23/16 with added cross rhythms to be good. It doesn't have to be played on a timpani drum by an old git with white hair and a shiny suit.
You are just as likely to hear/feel great rhythmic complexity inside the boom-chick-bap-chick of a funky house tune as you are from some stoned shaman in the middle of Africa.
The Rite of Spring is a great piece of music but an appalling dance tune. You need years of training, a pair of tights and the suspension of disbelief that a £50 ticket brings to your audience to get away with it.

Yeah, that was a bit of a tangent. I didn't mention Rite of Spring as a form of dance music, just a reply to the comment at classical music adhering to rigid forms.

But I saw Kirov's Rite of Spring performance in Houston for like US$25-30 I think.

Those tickets to see Goldie were more than that...

maxhodges1 · Post by **maxhodges1** » Thu Dec 21, 2006 2:22 pm

Igor 4000 wrote:
maxhodges1 wrote:The stiff, self-conscious, schizophrenic spasms and gyrations of dance in modern, Western-style dance clubs is a pathetic, anemic ghost of what dancing has meant and still means in many other societies.
Says who? You and the reviewer you quoted? Have you ever been to Shelter in New York? Or Body and Soul? I assure you that those people had as much a spiritual experience as anyone dancing to the Morrocan jajouka.

Here's some spiritual dancing LOL
http://onegoodmove.org/1gm/1gmarchive/2 ... _show.html

Dunbar · Post by **Dunbar** » Thu Dec 21, 2006 2:33 pm

Most electronic music is fuctional music.

It's made by stupid people for stupid people.

(i'm one of 'em)

daz3434 · Post by **daz3434** » Thu Dec 21, 2006 2:56 pm

Electronic dance music is not simple to make.You can't press keys on your synth and expect everything to be the perfect tune.I hate when people say dance music is easy to make it's not.I have spent many years trying to understand how to produce dance music.Even if you do understand music theory you still have to understand production techniques like arranging,effects,eq,mastering etc.Hell even writing a vocal track to go with your tune is a talent on it's own.

I actually think dance music has more skill than being able to play guitar etc because there are such more techniques to understand in the process.If you have a skill at playing guitar it does not mean you have a skill for all the other processes in music production.Dance music producers understand a hell of alot more modern music technology techniques than any other type of producer.

NEVER UNDERESTIMATE DANCE MUSIC

Hol · Post by **Hol** » Thu Dec 21, 2006 3:14 pm

Not heard any trance Muzak yet, but I think it might be coming to a clothing store near you soon.

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Move to Manchester

Hol · Post by **Hol** » Thu Dec 21, 2006 3:24 pm

Just to add something sensible to the debate (as counterpoint to my last comment) - I knocked up (alright, slaved over) twenty seconds of break-beat in Cubase, mixed it down to an mp3, took it into work on my phone and played it to one of my work-mates, who listened to it - a big grin spread across his face - and said "Man, that's sick!"

Music theory my ass. The public aren't interested!

eduardo_b · Post by **eduardo_b** » Thu Dec 21, 2006 4:03 pm

daz3434 wrote:Electronic dance music is not simple to make.You can't press keys on your synth and expect everything to be the perfect tune.I hate when people say dance music is easy to make it's not.

It does seem like it's simple enough to be easy, but it certainly isn't. Maybe this is why it gets no respect -- "how hard can it be?" -- from those who create other kinds of music.

djguido · Post by **djguido** » Thu Dec 21, 2006 4:18 pm

i sometimes listen to some hip-hop track and think.....geeeez I can make that track in about 5 minutes aside from the rapping which I can't do (actually I probably could rap but it would sound like crap cause of the lack of ebonics). But I make electro music all the time....more along the lines of house or trance and it is hard to make a decent track. To me its always the mindless rockers(think flanell shirt, mack truck baseball cap, ACDC shirt wearing,truck drivers) that think that its so easy to make electro music.

deaf dunderkwac · Post by **deaf dunderkwac** » Thu Dec 21, 2006 5:01 pm

the best dance music is r&b

(sorry, being trollish)

darkinnerbeing · Post by **darkinnerbeing** » Thu Dec 21, 2006 5:17 pm

It depends on that which you are looking for and are into.

Example:

Masters at Work(NYC)
Lil Louie Vega and Kenny 'Dope' Gonzalez
These 2 have a handful of songs that are very simple. Yet the remainder of their vast catalog has tracks that are latin jazz flavored(a couple of real instruments), Brazilian-influenced(a couple of real instruments) and R&B induced(a couple of real instruments). These guys are always at the top of dance music.

Glenn Underground(Chicago)
His style of house music is steeped in R&B, Gospel, Blues and a touch of Jazz Fusion. A couple of live instrument too. His improvisational skill(solos)are pretty good too.

Masters at Work & Glenn Underground are considered Deephouse music.

Manuel Gottsching(from the Prog Rock group - Ash Ra Tempel/ASHRA)Germany
'E2E4' - recorded 1981, Berlin. Release Date 1984, worldwide.
He knew nothing of techno or of Detroit when this song was created. Yet, this 58 Minute masterpiece is considered a Techno classic. He got his hands on the synths of the day and went nuts. A GERMAN PROG ROCK GUITARIST MAKES A TECHNO CLASSIC!!!

Bugz in the Attic(England)
A crew of DJs and Musicians(at last count 9 members)created a unique style of 'Broken beat' music. Kings of this jazz fusion and 70s r&b-flavored style. One listen and you can hear the influence of JAZZ fusion great Roy Ayers in their music. They also branch out under other aliases to create different projects: Afronaught, DKD, BB Boogie, Agent K, Seiji, etc.....

Again, it really depends on that which you are looking for and are into.

darkinnerbeing · Post by **darkinnerbeing** » Thu Dec 21, 2006 5:30 pm

Igor 4000 wrote:I don't understand...more sophisticated in what sense? Go and google Osunlade and tell me those aren't sophisticated african rhythms. I think the problem is that many of you have very limited experience with "dance music", and thus have a very narrow scope of understanding it. Dance music is a lot more complicated that big commercial dance clubs and commercial radio.

Osunlade is very good. In his interviews was the 1st time I heard of someone say he turns off the quantizing of all his equipment. Because, he grew up a musician first. Before Electronic Dance Music, he has produced R&B and HIPHOP. Alot of African-influence in his music.

Why is electronic dance music typically very simple?