KVR Audio

herodotus · Post by **herodotus** » Fri Dec 29, 2006 2:45 am

Given the recent meltdown of this thread, I thought a positive, constructive sort of thread might be in order.

The idea is no arguments, just links, diagrams, mp3s, midi files, etc.

Any problems concerning the content of these could be aired out in that other thread, so people could just come here to look, listen, learn, and make up their own minds about these matters.

So, to get the ball rolling, a few of what I think are polyrhythms, in notation with matching midi files (each midi file plays the notated part 4 times)

3_against_2_1

3_against_2_2

3_against_2_3

4_against_3_1

4_against_3_2

4_against_3_3

4_against_3_4

4_against_3_5

5_against_3_1

5_against_3_2

5_against_3_3

5_against_3_4

5_against_3_5

5_against_4_1

5_against_3_2

5_against_4_3

5_against_4_4

5_against_4_5

5_against_4_6

5_against_4_7

Watto · Post by **Watto** » Fri Dec 29, 2006 2:52 am

Thanks very much, hero! I gave up on the other thread, so this is much appreciated

herodotus · Post by **herodotus** » Fri Dec 29, 2006 4:09 am

Watto wrote: Thanks very much, hero!

No problem.

Watto wrote: I gave up on the other thread,

Me, too.

Amberience · Post by **Amberience** » Fri Dec 29, 2006 4:21 am

Heh. I gave up on this forum.

herodotus · Post by **herodotus** » Fri Dec 29, 2006 5:29 am

Amberience wrote:Heh. I gave up on this forum.

Yet here you are.

Sort of like morbid fascination?

DAAHOOD · Post by **DAAHOOD** » Fri Dec 29, 2006 1:08 pm

Sort of like morbid fascination?

some people make music , some others talk too much

anyway, every theory is proven to be untrue as time and history go by...
by the way, what's the point of arguing about figures in music without talking about sounds and feelings ?? music is not for the def)

thanks for your links herodotus (great examples)

i'd like to put some Rumba pattern as soon as i know how to insert html code for sound and pictures (how do you do that by the way?)

Amberience · Post by **Amberience** » Fri Dec 29, 2006 4:56 pm

herodotus wrote:
Amberience wrote:Heh. I gave up on this forum.
Yet here you are.

Sort of like morbid fascination?

Sort of. But more like having a sexwee.

.jon · Post by **.jon** » Fri Dec 29, 2006 5:31 pm

What's helpful about this thread?

herodotus · Post by **herodotus** » Fri Dec 29, 2006 5:57 pm

.jon wrote:What's helpful about this thread?

Well, assuming you want to learn what polyrhythms are, or how they work, you can come here and learn these things.

There are even midi files if you don't read music.

DAAHOOD · Post by **DAAHOOD** » Fri Dec 29, 2006 6:10 pm

.jon wrote:
What's helpful about this thread?

Well, assuming you want to learn what polyrhythms are, or how they work, you can come here and learn these things.

There are even midi files if you don't read music.

what's helpull about the other thread then ???

herodotus · Post by **herodotus** » Fri Dec 29, 2006 6:15 pm

DAAHOOD wrote:
.jon wrote:
What's helpful about this thread?

Well, assuming you want to learn what polyrhythms are, or how they work, you can come here and learn these things.

There are even midi files if you don't read music.
what's helpull about the other thread then ???

The same thing, only with a lot more noise in there with the information.

Perhaps if you wanted to copy/paste some of your examples from the other thread to this one, they wouldn't get lost in the controversy.

Any other links or info would also be cool.

.jon · Post by **.jon** » Fri Dec 29, 2006 6:25 pm

herodotus wrote:[
There are even midi files if you don't read music.

Yes, I can see that. What it is that you want to tell us about polyrhytms with the files?

MotorMind · Post by **MotorMind** » Fri Dec 29, 2006 6:33 pm

.jon wrote:What's helpful about this thread?

I wonder too. Polyrhythms are nothing but seperate rhythm tracks that run parallel and that may have different time signatures or loop points. It's nothing special and just a matter of experimenting until you find something that sounds right.

.jon · Post by **.jon** » Fri Dec 29, 2006 7:12 pm

Sorry that I sounded so harsh, I appreciate your efforts, herodotus, it's great but this all appears just as a list of various possibilities from an endless series of rhythm combinations.

herodotus · Post by **herodotus** » Fri Dec 29, 2006 9:25 pm

.jon wrote:Sorry that I sounded so harsh, I appreciate your efforts, herodotus, it's great but this all appears just as a list of various possibilities from an endless series of rhythm combinations.

Yes.

There was a question about polyrhythms in this thread.

Watto wrote:herodotus mentioned it in the welcome speech...

It's one area of music which I'd love to explore more - I've got a drummer mate called Ken Edie (google him if you could be bothered - he is an absolute monster) who has said he'll teach me, but we never seem to find the right moment to do it.

Reckon you geniuses could run me through some basics, and then run me through some harder stuff, and then let me lie down for a while?

There were attempts at answers, but the usual kvr controversy took over the thread, and the OP himself gave up on it.

And so I started this thread, with the point of just giving examples and exercises, without the controversy. The exercises aren't meant to be 'complete', which would indeed be impossible, just a representative selection of polyrhythms that conform to this (controversial) definition from the other thread:

x units with a metrical value of y superimposed over y units with a metrical value of x, where x and y are natural numbers.

And in any case, most theory books are filled with "lists of various possibilities from an endless series"

What exactly would you expect?

Perhaps you could point our way toward a more helpful approach?

Polyrhythms part 2, the friendly, helpful thread