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yemski · Post by **yemski** » Sat Dec 30, 2006 2:52 am

Topiness wrote: Next time we speak I'll expect nothing less, then. Maybe one day I can even get to the status of 'c**t'

Maybe. But let's not run before we can walk. It is a possibility that you will one day deserve that accolade. You have to prove yourself worthy first.

Amberience · Post by **Amberience** » Sat Dec 30, 2006 3:05 am

yemski wrote:Unless it refers to the work of Keanu Reeves (is he or is'nt he?), sword and sandle movies with a gay subtext, or anything on the E Channel, gays are notoriously bad at trivial pursuit.

I bet all of them can bench press at least twice what you can though, and that's just the lesbians.

Probably true. But then I think anyone who even bothers to bench press ... well.. most likely they're a pituitary retard and need to be put down before they do something predictable like go out and get drunk and start a fight with someone with more intelligence than them.

yemski · Post by **yemski** » Sat Dec 30, 2006 4:07 am

Amberience wrote: Probably true. But then I think anyone who even bothers to bench press ... well.. most likely they're a pituitary retard and need to be put down before they do something predictable like go out and get drunk and start a fight with someone with more intelligence than them.

Have you been pissing off the Big Shirley, with your critique of gay culture since homosexuality's legalization?
Bemoaning the way that they turned from erudite social commentators like W H Auden, Oscar Wilde and Truman Capote, into mindless disco bunnies with a penchant for interior design and shoes.
Well no wonder you got beaten up...

Amberience · Post by **Amberience** » Sat Dec 30, 2006 4:21 am

my bumhole quivers from your haughty laughter

yemski · Post by **yemski** » Sat Dec 30, 2006 4:35 am

Stop copying passages from EuroBoy's letters page.

tee boy · Post by **tee boy** » Sat Dec 30, 2006 6:10 am

yemski wrote:
tee boy wrote:
I tend to think like this...

Study as a theorist. Compose as an artist.

TB
Could'nt agree more. Too many of the world's great composers have studied theory for anyone to dismiss it is as a pointless excersise. After all Stravinsky used his extensive musical education, to blow established conventions of orchestration and form out of the water back in 1913 with the "Rite Of Spring". His work sounds avant garde even today. Such a work could'nt have been written by someone with no knowledge of what they were doing. At the same time I doubt theoretical considerations were paramount in his mind when he wrote it. He just did what felt right.

Exactly. Its not about learning 'theory', its about learning music! You learn from what came before you, right? It doesnt matter where you're learning blues guitar licks, or how to sample, or analysing Baroque fugue! Its all music, and as students of music, we owe it to ourselves to learn about the great things that have come before us.

Imo it is pure laziness that breeds the 'I dont need it' attitude. That argument just has no merit at all that I can see.

HOWEVER...

I would have to say that SOME people allow knowledge to turn them into theorists only. They try to write music from the brain rather than the heart, and thats wrong. The music was only analysed AFTER it was written! Im sure that when the likes of Debussy and Ravel were penning that cool impressionistic music, they weren't giving two hoots about what theorists would say about it. There only concern was how it sounded.

That said, Debussy was influenced immensely by Chopin, and he would never have written the music he did without knowledge of the his work.

I guess my point is that you need to allow your knowledge to open new doors creatively, and be sure to NEVER let it shut them. Never think 'I cant do this because the rule book says not'! If you like how it sounds, do it - then later perhaps you can try to understand what it is about that particular musical element that you like so much... and hence it becomes theory

A fine example might be the use of tritone and other chromatic progressions in late Romantic music. You hear those quite a lot in works of that period. Just listen to Scriabin's preludes! They are full of them. But yet the rule book would have said that such music would be unpleasant to the ear. Well, Scriabin and the like clearly thought this sound was interesting, and now what they did is found in theory books the world over.

Again, it only becomes theory AFTER it has been applied in music! And prety much every aspect of theory that we hold precious today was at some point considered new fangled and horrible

BB

OverDose · Post by **OverDose** » Sat Dec 30, 2006 7:26 am

Topiness wrote:It sounds like we have a lot in common. I've just decided to ditch a kind of 'safe' career (programming/IT) to pursue music more.

sweet man, what kind of music are you into?

And I feel old too (I'm 27... is it old? ).

i'm 26, we're not that old i guess, i just feel tired, like a walking hangover after a 10 year party, time to clean up and move on.

So congratulations on your choice... I'm a big believer in the maxim 'if you think you can do it, you're right', so I'm sure you'll have every success.

Same to you, my best wishes to you and your music, i'm looking forward to hear some of your tracks.

The company I just quit made millions of dollars a year providing absolutely f**k ALL to its clients, just with the right marketing. Got to be much easier to do with a product your heart's really in.

yeah, i hope it'll be, but as H.S. Thompson said "Buy the ticket, take the ride", i guess we're in for the long ride, let's see where it leads.

cheers.

Topiness · Post by **Topiness** » Sat Dec 30, 2006 2:04 pm

OverDose wrote: what kind of music are you into?

You can tell i haven't thought this through, but anything that's honest and has a sense of balance. Pretty meaningless without examples, so:

Synth stuff: The sounds on kraftwerk 'computer world' are used in such a natural way that the joy of making the record comes through. Global Communication 76 14 is another example.
Also really like The Orb and FSOL. It's music that isn't expressive as such, more atmospheric. Sounds like it just happens without human intervention - again, very natural.
Jazz: Jan Gabarek... Miles Davis...
Guitar Stuff: Ry Cooder, Paul Simon... Lynyrd skynrd...
Lots of world music - korean all female kayagum ensemble 'sagye', for example...

I think I like pretty much anything where it sounds like the musician/composer/producer/whatever has really made a connection with the sound of their instrument/equipment/voice/whatever.

I'm not after writing my own stuff in a particular style. I want to aim more towards soundtrack stuff, fusions of styles, that kind of thing. or maybe it won't work out like that. I'm coming back into this after a loooong break (4 years since i did anything, and 8 or 9 years since i was serious about it) and even though I know i still have a bit of knowledge, I feel like a beginner again, really.

The past few months I haven't even tried to write more than a few little ideas. I've mainly been trying to sort out what equipment I need. Unfortunately I learned violin rather than keyboard, which is a bit of a handicap when trying to do the lone producer thing.

anyway, I've found only 2 vsti's I like, out of the millions i've tried, but it's going to be enough. Just looking for a sampler now. I'm looking forward to the time when additive resynthesis and physical modeling is a bit more advanced, but I'm not waiting for it...

I'm aware that all this time looking at equipment isn't getting any music done - fun though, and I want to eliminate most of the infinite possibilities before they get in the way of actually writing music. hope to start doing some tracks soon... today actually... and if I'm not too ashamed I'll stick some links up.

Kingston · Post by **Kingston** » Sat Dec 30, 2006 2:13 pm

OverDose wrote:yeah, i hope it'll be, but as H.S. Thompson said "Buy the ticket, take the ride", i guess we're in for the long ride, let's see where it leads.

mr. Thompson also put a bullet into his head so I wouldn't take anything he said awfully seriously, especially those important tips for long and spiritually healthy life.

Amberience · Post by **Amberience** » Sat Dec 30, 2006 2:14 pm

Kingston wrote:especially those important tips for long and spiritually healthy life.

I don't remember him really even suggesting a long and spiritually healthy life. I remember him going on about scaring the shit out of Jack Nicholson with a heart on the doorstep and gunshots into the air .. but nothing about spirituality.

Kingston · Post by **Kingston** » Sat Dec 30, 2006 2:18 pm

Amberience wrote:
Kingston wrote:especially those important tips for long and spiritually healthy life.
I don't remember him really even suggesting a long and spiritually healthy life. I remember him going on about scaring the shit out of Jack Nicholson with a heart on the doorstep and gunshots into the air .. but nothing about spirituality.

should've said mentally healthy instead. I don't remember him writing anything remotely like that either, I just commented on the usage of the quote. That Thompson stuff really doesn't relate to the conversation Overdose and Topiness had.

anyway, I'll get me coat.

living sounds · Post by **living sounds** » Sat Dec 30, 2006 2:50 pm

An overview of logical fallacies:

http://theskepticsguide.org/logicalfallacies.asp

Topiness · Post by **Topiness** » Sat Dec 30, 2006 3:15 pm

living sounds wrote:An overview of logical fallacies:

http://theskepticsguide.org/logicalfallacies.asp

When I got into this thread, I did so because i thought the OP, in pointing out a #12, had created a bit of a #16. But I'm not so psychologically imbalanced that I care anymore.

Here's a link to different types of fellatio:

http://sexuality.about.com/od/oralsex/ht/fellatio.htm

Amberience · Post by **Amberience** » Sat Dec 30, 2006 4:54 pm

Kingston wrote:
Amberience wrote:
Kingston wrote:especially those important tips for long and spiritually healthy life.
I don't remember him really even suggesting a long and spiritually healthy life. I remember him going on about scaring the shit out of Jack Nicholson with a heart on the doorstep and gunshots into the air .. but nothing about spirituality.
should've said mentally healthy instead. I don't remember him writing anything remotely like that either, I just commented on the usage of the quote. That Thompson stuff really doesn't relate to the conversation Overdose and Topiness had.

anyway, I'll get me coat.

No need to go, this thread seems to appreciate derailment.

OverDose · Post by **OverDose** » Sat Dec 30, 2006 8:12 pm

well, this got kinda weird, i was enjoying the conversation but i guess that it wasn't the right place (being offtopic and all that).

Kingston wrote:mr. Thompson also put a bullet into his head so I wouldn't take anything he said awfully seriously, especially those important tips for long and spiritually healthy life.

Thompson killing himself, well, so did Hemingway, Van Gogh, etc... i was told by a friend a few years ago that all of nietzsche's philosophy could be safely discarded since he died insane, but for me the way somebody lives or dies does not cancel out whatever they have to say, is not like i'm forced to believe what they say just because i read their books, i don't think that Thompson is in the same league as any of the others i have mentioned though, i like a couple of his books but i certainly do not see him as a role model or my spiritual leader, he's just a weird writer, and i wasn't suggeting that we should follow his teachings or anything like that, it was just a quote man.

Kingston wrote:I don't remember him writing anything remotely like that either

They even made a film out of it man, check it out->

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0775438/

Kingston wrote:I just commented on the usage of the quote. That Thompson stuff really doesn't relate to the conversation Overdose and Topiness had.

I'll explain to you, Topiness mentioned that even a company that didn't provided anything good to their customers was able to make millions a year thanks to marketing, this was after he spoke about me succeeding in music and he ended his comment by saying that it "Got to be much easier to do with a product your heart's really in."

My reply was meant as a way of saying that regardless of what happens my choice has been made, i decided to change my life and it's too late to worry about it, all i can do now is work hard and see how it all develops, so i've already "bought the ticket", do you see how it relates to the conversation we were having now?

Topiness wrote:hope to start doing some tracks soon... today actually... and if I'm not too ashamed I'll stick some links up.

Cool man, good luck with it!, please send me a PM when you post some links, i'll try to get something done too, maybe in a few months we could try a collab or something.

Anyway, sorry for my off topic messages guys, i'll use PMs from now on for this kind of conversations.

The ignorance is bliss fallacy