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xtp · Post by **xtp** » Sun Dec 31, 2006 5:16 am

bit of a shocker, 2nd thread I've started today, I think I might have to settle down a bit... Now wheres the Bourbon?:shock:

using a chord with C,Eb,F in it. Any one know what it is called. C minor bb5 ?

the root note is C, the key is C minor pentatonic.

VicDiesel · Post by **VicDiesel** » Sun Dec 31, 2006 5:20 am

That's not a triad. For a triad the third note has to be some variant of G, that being the 5th step in the scale.

So that makes it C-Eb-Gbb. Call it a double diminished chord.

Except that I seem to remember that that name is already reserved for C-Ebb-Gb.

Victor.

xtp · Post by **xtp** » Sun Dec 31, 2006 5:22 am

I'll edit that Vic cheers, change it from triad, to chord.

VicDiesel · Post by **VicDiesel** » Sun Dec 31, 2006 5:51 am

Well, if it's really C-Eb-F, then that's an F7 with the A omitted....

Or call it a Cmin-4-no5.

Victor

Danno · Post by **Danno** » Sun Dec 31, 2006 5:53 am

I guess this could be a couple things:

an Fm7 (missing the b3)
a Cm11 (missing the 9,5,b7)
a DbMaj9 (missing the 5th)

...you COULD fit these notes into a bunch of chords... but there are a couple starting points.

k-bird · Post by **k-bird** » Sun Dec 31, 2006 7:26 am

xtp wrote:bit of a shocker, 2nd thread I've started today, I think I might have to settle down a bit... Now wheres the Bourbon?:shock:

using a chord with C,Eb,F in it. Any one know what it is called. C minor bb5 ?

the root note is C, the key is C minor pentatonic.

This combination of notes is dead useful.

It doesn't really have a name under the western music theory i've studied myself though; i'd probably call it a chord fragment. It most resembles F7 (not the function key, the chord) albeit with no major/minor tonality, but to my ears it sounds most resolved when treated as a Cmi(add11, no5).

In the interests of making up a term for a chord consisting of root C, minor third Eb and perfect fourth F, i offer the following brainstorms in vaguely increasing order of silliness:
- C minor add eleventh no fifth
- C minor no fifth add eleventh
- C minor-suspended
- C minor mystical
- C minor with double demerit fifth
- C minor fourth
- C minor subtract fifth for fourth
- C minor quite sophisticated
- F fifth add seventh/C (F5add7/C)
- F seventh thirdless/C
- F seventh hollow/C
- F seventh absent third/C
- F seventh suspended oblivionth/C

xtp · Post by **xtp** » Sun Dec 31, 2006 7:57 am

cheers guys,

I know theres not much to go on, its part of a tune I'm workin on, it goes to cm then back to this chord. So the 'f' rises to a 'g' then drops back to a 'f'. I just wondered whether there was a easy name for it. I just wont notate it. I was at a loss to name it. (it was 3 notes i was hearing in my head)

Thanks for the help.

hehe, I like the C Minor mystical. Maybe 'CmM'.

Toxikator · Post by **Toxikator** » Sun Dec 31, 2006 12:41 pm

I'd call it suspended... though TECHNICALLY it's retarded (not the pejorative here) because the resolution would likely be from F to G, making it a 4-5 retardation.

The common suspension of that chord would be CFG, resolving to CEbG in 4-3 suspension.

Danno · Post by **Danno** » Sun Dec 31, 2006 6:14 pm

Yeah, I'd agree that it works as a suspended chord... or a minor 11th I guess.

If the C is in the bass, anyway.

liqih · Post by **liqih** » Sun Dec 31, 2006 6:22 pm

or in Jazz it can be a "modal F7" simply,
(actually an F7 without mode, nor major nor minor, seems the best approach to me)

xtp · Post by **xtp** » Mon Jan 01, 2007 1:29 am

Cheers for all that guys, after some consideration I think its the F7 I am hearing (without the 'A' as Vic said and Liqih confirmed), it kinds of follows with how I normally hear things, (I usually only use, majors,minors and 7ths)

It would kind of follow as the original impro had one other identifiable chord, Bb (which i didnt notice till after i posted, and actually not until after I got home from new years drinks), and since Bb major and C minor pent share the smae key sig, Cminor, Bb major and F7 all fit together nicely.

Beardedone · Post by **Beardedone** » Mon Jan 01, 2007 5:25 am

cool stuff guys. I love ambiguous chords like this one. They can take a progression in many diffeent directions.

Cheers,
Gordon

Gregjazz · Post by **Gregjazz** » Mon Jan 01, 2007 5:50 am

Of course, it's only really ambiguous in the sense that by themselves, those three notes could suggest a variety of chord types, but do suggest a tonality.

Just to go a little deeper into this triad (C, Eb, F)... its intervals are a minor third, a perfect fifth, and a major second. What other triad has the same intervals as this?

The triad consisting of C, D, F (transpositions aside) has all the same intervals as this. Notice the similarity between these two triads. Just something for you to play around with.

Beardedone · Post by **Beardedone** » Mon Jan 01, 2007 6:03 am

Good insights Greg. Thanks for pointing out the nature of the intervals.

Cheers,
Gordon

mistertoast · Post by **mistertoast** » Mon Jan 01, 2007 6:10 am

I shall name this chord, "Howard."

can you put a name to this chord