KVR Audio

No name · Post by **No name** » Sat Jan 06, 2007 2:47 am

So when does this thing come out? Is it even anywhere near done?

bluedad · Post by **bluedad** » Sat Jan 06, 2007 3:18 am

Maybe two weeks at NAMM?
Let's hope.

shanecgriffo · Post by **shanecgriffo** » Sat Jan 06, 2007 3:27 am

hey that movie preview is great.. very dramatic ..i was waiting for the keys to fly off the piano in all directions at the end ,haha

james0tucson · Post by **james0tucson** » Sat Jan 06, 2007 3:34 am

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Actually I don't care about the price. I've auditioned so many pianos. Some make great "rendering instruments", some are appropriate for specific styles, but few if any are just really simple to use and sound convincing to the player, as he plays.

Because not everybody is trying to use a VSTi as a substitute for a real piano for serious practice, that's not always an issue. Like I said, I've tried a whole lot of pianos. I have a Yamaha sampleset in Sampletank that comes close, and I am grateful to have had the opportunity to beta test the piano under discussion. (Roel, I don't even mean to be chatty about it).

Opinions will vary, especially since this is KVR, but the TruePianos instrument for me is going to fill a niche where there really isn't much else out there -- a piano vsti where you can close your eyes and play, and have most of the psychological cues that tell you at an unconscious level that you are playing a stringed piano.

Cygnus X-1 · Post by **Cygnus X-1** » Sat Jan 06, 2007 9:13 am

Just a thought on the pricing:
It has been said that the software contains 8 piano models, could one hope for more than one version? How about having many versions with the 'lite' edition having just one or two models with an option to upgrade later. This would allow more flexibility in the price so it will appeal to many more customers.
Just MHO,one of the reasons it's easier for me to buy hardware than software in general is the fact that, with software, there are many products charging an arm and a leg for a product with a multitude of extra features that I'll never ever use in two life times.

Lee702 · Post by **Lee702** » Sat Jan 06, 2007 4:11 pm

4front has been a generous company with the freebies and pricing of their products. I would expect that the price would be affordable. Lets just hope they dont nex us

XDVarenkor · Post by **XDVarenkor** » Sun Jan 07, 2007 4:10 am

+1

... and as long as they don't resort to C/R or PACE or some other such intrusive copy protection. But let's not start a flame war over that

Roel de Witt · Post by **Roel de Witt** » Sun Jan 07, 2007 4:17 am

Hi,

C/R doesn't have to be intrusive. As long as the rules applied to it aren't too strict. E.g. a fair amount of machines, more than enough activations and both online and offline activation impossibilities. It it's much more of an issue when inserting a serial code.

If you want to you may explain to me why a challenge/response activation scheme for software is 'intrusive'. (PM is allowed of course

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Roel / 4Front Technologies

XDVarenkor wrote:+1

... and as long as they don't resort to C/R or PACE or some other such intrusive copy protection. But let's not start a flame war over that

spuddle · Post by **spuddle** » Sun Jan 07, 2007 4:21 am

Got fed up with waiting on this. Go for PianoTeq instead

Roel de Witt · Post by **Roel de Witt** » Sun Jan 07, 2007 5:05 am

Hi,

TruePianos won't have 8 modules at launch time.. What the betatester talked about is a 'possible future status'.

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Roel / 4Front Technologies

Cygnus X-1 wrote:Just a thought on the pricing:
It has been said that the software contains 8 piano models, could one hope for more than one version? How about having many versions with the 'lite' edition having just one or two models with an option to upgrade later. This would allow more flexibility in the price so it will appeal to many more customers.
Just MHO,one of the reasons it's easier for me to buy hardware than software in general is the fact that, with software, there are many products charging an arm and a leg for a product with a multitude of extra features that I'll never ever use in two life times.

Roel de Witt · Post by **Roel de Witt** » Wed Jan 17, 2007 10:46 pm

Hi,

Since I was a bit late with submitting my KVR new post I'm posting the following information in the two active TruePianos forums:

TruePianos will be playable at NAMM. Open Labs has installed a special version of TruePianos optimized for touch screens on the neKo Production Stations present at booth # 6015.

So if you want to see and try TruePianos feel free to visit the Open Labs booth at NAMM.

TruePianos will be released to the public in January 2007. For those who can't attend NAMM, we've put up an updated demonstration movie on our website at http://www.truepianos.com/ demonstrating TruePianos the GUI and featuring two songs played with TruePiano Modules.

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Roel / 4Front Technologies

Karmacomposer · Post by **Karmacomposer** » Thu Jan 18, 2007 1:36 am

Can you at least hint on the ballpart cost? In the vicinity of what it may possibly be? I just need to know how much to save up for.

Mike

XDVarenkor · Post by **XDVarenkor** » Thu Jan 18, 2007 4:45 am

Roel de Witt wrote:Hi,

C/R doesn't have to be intrusive. As long as the rules applied to it aren't too strict. E.g. a fair amount of machines, more than enough activations and both online and offline activation impossibilities. It it's much more of an issue when inserting a serial code.

If you want to you may explain to me why a challenge/response activation scheme for software is 'intrusive'. (PM is allowed of course )

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Roel / 4Front Technologies

This has been done to death on other threads, but by way of explanation:

1) The means to get a response code may be interrupted or unavailable - just look at the problems with Superwave products where users cannot reactivate their software. It's not just little companies either - I have had problems with Adobe when reinstalling Photoshop after rebuilding my machine, and that's my livelihood (as a piano VSTi could be also).

2) There will be a pirate version available next week that doesn't require a response code. It's simply unfair that paying end-users have a worse deal in using software than pirates. Serial numbers or keyfiles are quite sufficient to deter the hobbyist pirate, and the hardcore crackers are unlikely to be deterred anyway.

Some people don't mind these measures at all. Some might even think they're a good thing. I boycott products that punish end-users on principle. It's perfectly possible to find alternatives that do not use these methods - and so the only software I use that employs them is the aforementioned Photoshop (and even that was due to a bait-and-switch by Adobe).

As I said, there are many other lively threads on this topic. I hope this answers your question.

Looking forward to the finished product, btw

Roel de Witt · Post by **Roel de Witt** » Thu Jan 18, 2007 4:59 am

Hi,

TruePianos uses a challenge/response based system.

Product activation by challenge/response is a one time thing, unless you reinstall your PC. In case of a computer with an internet connection it actually requires less input from the user than with a serial number that also requires a name.

For computers without an internet connection you can use any PC with a web browser to request your activation key of which a copy will be delivered by e-mail. From that moment on it's identical as to entering a serial number, as this activation key can be reused.

The only drawback I see is when installing e.g. TruePianos on another computer that the above will need to be repeated. Still first time activation is a matter of 1-2 minutes at maximum on an off-line computer and a matter of seconds on a computer with an internet connection.

Updated version of course normally will not require you to reactivate.

We do not limit the usage of TruePianos to just one or two PCs. As long as it's for the customers own personal use. We believe in a fair use policy and if these undefined limits are ever crossed a license will be reset to it's initial state if nothing strange is noticed like 300 activation attempts from all over the world.

If we would ever discontinue TruePianos we'll provide all customers either with an unprotected version of the product or provide them with an activation key that works on any machine.

As far as license transfers goes.. We allow those too without charging for it.

See, we're nice people

XDVarenkor wrote: This has been done to death on other threads, but by way of explanation:

1) The means to get a response code may be interrupted or unavailable - just look at the problems with Superwave products where users cannot reactivate their software. It's not just little companies either - I have had problems with Adobe when reinstalling Photoshop after rebuilding my machine, and that's my livelihood (as a piano VSTi could be also).

2) There will be a pirate version available next week that doesn't require a response code. It's simply unfair that paying end-users have a worse deal in using software than pirates. Serial numbers or keyfiles are quite sufficient to deter the hobbyist pirate, and the hardcore crackers are unlikely to be deterred anyway.

Some people don't mind these measures at all. Some might even think they're a good thing. I boycott products that punish end-users on principle. It's perfectly possible to find alternatives that do not use these methods - and so the only software I use that employs them is the aforementioned Photoshop (and even that was due to a bait-and-switch by Adobe).

As I said, there are many other lively threads on this topic. I hope this answers your question.

Looking forward to the finished product, btw

A new piano in town