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metrosechual · Post by **metrosechual** » Mon Jan 15, 2007 4:45 pm

perhaps REASON changed its mind about being a sequencer/host whatever after version 3 --- i dunno..

Tronam · Post by **Tronam** » Mon Jan 15, 2007 4:54 pm

headquest wrote:
John Vulich wrote:
Tronam wrote:Yes, but the point that seems to elude a lot of people is that Reason is not a host. It is a modular instrument.
I find VERY little need for a sequencer in a modular soft synth environment. That's what my host is for.
My hardware keyboard workstation includes a fairly powerful sequencer, even though I could sequence it from my software if I prefered. It does not host VSTs or record audio I know that there IS hardware moving in that direction... and it may be equally the case that the Props take Reason in that direction in the future (although they have reoeatedly insisted that they do not intend to...)

The forthcoming Ableton / Propellerhead partnership suggests to me that the Props intend to particularly support Live as a forward-looking host rather than develop their own...

...in the meantime, Reason is the software equivalent of my hardware keybaord workstation, and has been marketed as such (at least since version 3). It is not a host.

Couldn't have said it better myself. Anyways, a partnership with Ableton wouldn't be such a bad idea. Live/Reason already make a tight pair. Apparently the Props have been cooking something up for the past few years that is nearing release. I guess it wasn't quite ready for NAMM, so they'll be announcing it at Musikmesse. Definitely curious to see what they've been working on.

laputa_sync · Post by **laputa_sync** » Mon Jan 15, 2007 4:57 pm

Kingston wrote:pan laws

Why are there 78 different pan laws in Tracktion?
Does Cubase have 17 or 18...?
Is Reasons pan law just a volume law?
Are we all just pan laws...

What is H.E.P?

Tronam · Post by **Tronam** » Mon Jan 15, 2007 5:04 pm

metrosechual wrote:perhaps REASON changed its mind about being a sequencer/host whatever after version 3 --- i dunno..

What you might be thinking of is the "Virtual Studio" marketing they used to do back when Reason first came out. The problem with using the term "studio" is that it's totally vague and subjective. Everyone has their own idea of how a studio should be equipped and function these days, so I think it was wise for them to move away from that kind of advertising. Besides, isn't one of the most fundamental, core functions of even the most basic studio going back 50 years to... record audio?

Kingston · Post by **Kingston** » Mon Jan 15, 2007 5:06 pm

laputa_sync wrote:
Kingston wrote:pan laws
Why are there 78 different pan laws in Tracktion?
Does Cubase have 17 or 18...?
Is Reasons pan law just a volume law?
Are we all just pan laws...

What is H.E.P?

high end ponies?

yeah I got em

scuzzphut · Post by **scuzzphut** » Mon Jan 15, 2007 5:08 pm

I think the fact that FL Studio is so full featured, without being any more of a a CPU hog than others, is testament to the fact that Delphi is just as capable as C++. Yes, it's a bit easier to do GUI stuff in Delphi, but then - what's wrong with things being easier ? The DSP code that actually matters is written in exactly the same way, using the same Steinberg SDK etc - it's just the Syntax that's different - something that affects the product's features and the user's experience in no way whatsoever.

Portability is an issue as mentioned before - Delphi will compile only for windows and (with a bit of tweaking) for Linux via Kylix.

laputa_sync · Post by **laputa_sync** » Mon Jan 15, 2007 5:11 pm

H.E.P!!! of course its so simple

in the end it doesnt matter what you compile in, you better be using H.E.P for that analog warmth and characteraer...

.jon · Post by **.jon** » Mon Jan 15, 2007 5:16 pm

What a thread, tarnce kiddies have a catfight over who's toy app is coded in what language.

John Vulich · Post by **John Vulich** » Mon Jan 15, 2007 5:16 pm

Tronam wrote:
metrosechual wrote: I have always seen REASON as a host --
Would you then consider Reaktor to be a host as well? What exactly does Reason host?

There actually are many Reaktor ensembles that attempt to be complete audio sequencing packages.

John Vulich · Post by **John Vulich** » Mon Jan 15, 2007 5:20 pm

headquest wrote:
John Vulich wrote:
Tronam wrote:Yes, but the point that seems to elude a lot of people is that Reason is not a host. It is a modular instrument.
I find VERY little need for a sequencer in a modular soft synth environment. That's what my host is for.
My hardware keyboard workstation includes a fairly powerful sequencer, even though I could sequence it from my software if I prefered. It does not host VSTs or record audio I know that there IS hardware moving in that direction... and it may be equally the case that the Props take Reason in that direction in the future (although they have reoeatedly insisted that they do not intend to...)

The forthcoming Ableton / Propellerhead partnership suggests to me that the Props intend to particularly support Live as a forward-looking host rather than develop their own...

...in the meantime, Reason is the software equivalent of my hardware keybaord workstation, and has been marketed as such (at least since version 3). It is not a host.

Oh yeah? That BS just doesn't wash. Seems to me that most HW workstations can even record audio tracks and control other synths via MIDI. So if that's what they're shooting to emulate, the missed the f**king boat, but good.

John Vulich · Post by **John Vulich** » Mon Jan 15, 2007 5:21 pm

Tronam wrote:I guess it wasn't quite ready for NAMM, so they'll be announcing it at Musikmesse. Definitely curious to see what they've been working on.

More excuses it seems.

metrosechual · Post by **metrosechual** » Mon Jan 15, 2007 5:24 pm

makes sense with reason version 3 being so underwhelming that they would hook up with ableton == perhaps imageline should hook up with cockos or something

John Vulich · Post by **John Vulich** » Mon Jan 15, 2007 5:27 pm

metrosechual wrote:perhaps REASON changed its mind about being a sequencer/host whatever after version 3 --- i dunno..

Back in 2001, the Props themselves referred to it as "complete music system". So yeah, something did indeed seem to change.

http://web.archive.org/web/200104051914 ... index.php3

Software synths have been around for almost as long as the personal computer. But somehow, they've never really made the grade. Too demanding on computer resources. Too complex. Too limited. Indifferent sounding. Unplayable. Or simply not cool enough. But now, the first software synth to equal and surpass the power, glory and attitude of dedicated hardware has arrived. In fact, it's a lot more than just a synth. It's a complete music system. The Age of Reason is finally here.

metrosechual · Post by **metrosechual** » Mon Jan 15, 2007 5:28 pm

guesssssss that anssswersss that then

Tronam · Post by **Tronam** » Mon Jan 15, 2007 5:28 pm

John Vulich wrote:
Tronam wrote:I guess it wasn't quite ready for NAMM, so they'll be announcing it at Musikmesse. Definitely curious to see what they've been working on.
More excuses it seems.

Well, whatever it is I'm sure it will be something good for Reason users at least. Whether it will be good for the greater KvR community is another story.

I'm sure they haven't been sitting around twiddling their thumbs over these past 2 years.

Pretty stupid comment from Propellerhead stuff memeber on FL