Pretty stupid comment from Propellerhead stuff memeber on FL

[Toxikator]

but really - what professional usee FL?

Does anyone care? Is there anyone who REALLY does any engineering not using Pro Tools? I mean by your logic the only truly valid app is PT, and we KNOW that's a load.

the industry is currently in the process of being reborn. There is a shift and what used to be painting with blocks has grown up. I mean, there are probably very few professional engineers using Ableton Live, too, but I'd wager it's still a very capable application for the job.

[laputa_sync]

but really - what professional usee FL? it's a kiddies program for tarnce kiddes..sheesh.

Does anyone care? Is there anyone who REALLY does any engineering not using Pro Tools? I mean by your logic the only truly valid app is PT, and we KNOW that's a load.

Whats a load...?
Snookys logic or PT?

[Toxikator]

Both.

Well, PT itself isn't a load, but the widely espoused idea (among industry pros) that it imparts some sort of voodoo music magic or that it's the only app for the job is.

[.jon]

You obviously don't know shit. It is a proven fact that most hits are made with Pro Tools, and you have to be really stupid not to see the connection. There's nothing voodoo or other magic bullshit, it's just the only thinkable choice for real professional work. Of course it's ok to use some shareware stuff or PT clones like Cubase and the rest for home studios or other stuff where sound quality does not matter, but for example in the film industry where transparencies are really important, forget the little toys.

It's Pro Tools if you want to stay with the business, that's why they call it Pro Tools instead of some funny el cheapo name.

[laputa_sync]

[Markleford]

It is a proven fact that most hits are made with Pro Tools, and you have to be really stupid not to see the connection.

And this "proof" can be found *where*?

(Of course, putting aside the absurd notion that a "hit" has anything to do with production technique rather than marketing capital... Or that a "hit" in general is more worthwhile than a "non-hit"...)

- m

[Kingston]

It is a proven fact that most hits are made with Pro Tools, and you have to be really stupid not to see the connection.

And this "proof" can be found *where*?

he's either joking or dug himself into a hole.

sarcasm is a difficult sport on forums, with all the language barriers and such.

[Markleford]

he's either joking or dug himself into a hole.

sarcasm is a difficult sport on forums, with all the language barriers and such.

Heh, yeah. It's just amazing how over the top and preposterous some people's arguments can be, that you gotta wonder, "They *are* kidding... right?"

- m

[Vonbrucken]

You obviously don't know shit. It is a proven fact that most hits are made with Pro Tools, and you have to be really stupid not to see the connection. There's nothing voodoo or other magic bullshit, it's just the only thinkable choice for real professional work. Of course it's ok to use some shareware stuff or PT clones like Cubase and the rest for home studios or other stuff where sound quality does not matter, but for example in the film industry where transparencies are really important, forget the little toys.

It's Pro Tools if you want to stay with the business, that's why they call it Pro Tools instead of some funny el cheapo name.

it is not because a software is long established and wordly used that it proves it is the best , a lot of factors goes into this , marketing retailers etc , and because people like to imitate
the fact that windows is used by the most doesn't prove anything but following your argument it should
we don't have seen yet the real effect of the home studio practice on the industry but it will come soon
lot of professional studios are closing right now , and there will be in a very near day only really big studios and home studios and nothing between it
as it goes as far as i know
for me the fact that PT was so widly adopted apart from their marketing skills was their intricate relation with the hardware
but as far as i know there is less and less hardware in brief life is changing but will have to wait that all the contract with music school and engineer school stop made with digidesign and alike stop
but anyway people like aping what they see , and as all the posts titled "what is the best " will go on and multiply like nuisants
people will always use what people use the most and won't see for themselves
and last point the professionals you are talking came to the computer world on the late , wich is not most of the case of the people here , they can be enormous engineers and musician but most of them don't know how to configure properly a computer

[keyman_sam]

Personally, I havent heard of an industry pro using ext OR fruity OR reaper, etc. By industry pro, I'm talking about people I know who score music for albums, films, ad jingles, own a studio, etc. Most of them I know of use Pro Tools/Logic, some with that huge 130,000 dollar controller thingie (whatever you call it). Then, some others use Cubase. That doesnt mean the other apps are shit. It means that others use applications that suit them best.


Sadly, some people I know (including pros), even when earning more than 70K USD per year, insist on buying illegal software and sample CDs. For some others, the software companies themselves give products for free.

[spaceman]

You obviously don't know shit. It is a proven fact that most hits are made with Pro Tools, and you have to be really stupid not to see the connection.

you obviously don't understand shit.. The fact that 'the hits' are made in ProTools doesn't mean that everyone else should stop using anything else than ProTools. There's no f**king connection between the two. ProTools is a production tool, all the other hosts like Logic, Cubase, FL, Live, etc. are maybe more composition tools that could, if needed, be used as production tools. PT is industry standard so that's what people use but that doesn't mean you couldn't do the same in Cubase.. (and just to ram it in once more) but they happen to do it in PT, because that's the industry standard

[Vonbrucken]

• regarding from the features included fl studio is for me in the same class as ableton live and alike
• you were talking about movie track producer for exemple hans zimmer claims he uses ableton live
• the fact that all people in the industry uses logic or pro tools is because they are linked to them commercially like the us army is linked to microsoft
this is why there is more and more bundled products , all this is purely commercial
in an other thread people complained that steinberg was not yet ready for 64 bits audio engine but hey wake up
podium for exemple has a 64 bits audio engine , and gapless audio !!!
but who have tested yet zynewave podium no one cause there is no advertisement in the magazines that's all
nothing new under the sun !!!

[Toxikator]

The reason studios use PT is hardware integration. Here in Nashville, you're lucky to even FIND a studio that uses computers, everyone runs Neve or SSL. They recognize the advantage of computer use but understand that if you've been using a desk for 35 years you're not gonna switch so readily. And if you DO, you can be damn sure that you don't know the first thing about DAW work and you're buying a high-end Mac with PT. Is this becuase it is intrinsically better? No. It's because that's what you KNOW.

There's nothing wrong with that. But suggesting that because pro users use something means its better is just absurd, both in principle and practice.

Yamaha NS10s: widely regarded as inaccurate, shitty monitors. Present in almost every studio worldwide that's been around for more than 10 years.

Fender Guitars: easily America's most popular brand, even among professionals, despite the obvious superior quality of PRS, Gibson, etc.

PT is no different. I like to give most pros the intellectual benefit of the doubt: it's domination of the industry led them to start on it, and they had no reason to switch. But the ignornant KvRian followup that PT sounds/works better is laughable.

And you can taste the diff. between Pepsi and Coke, right?

[.jon]

And you can taste the diff. between Pepsi and Coke, right?

Well if you don't taste the difference that does not mean others didn't - most hobbyists can't even tell a Schrudebayer from Stillsworth. My friend, who's working in the film industry and produces thousands of transparencies every single day never drinks Pepsi- because Coke simply tastes better.

[tomg]

If you are upset because you think that somebody from Props might have said that FLS is crap code because it's Delphi and not C++ and yet you still want to keep the SE badges you are a hippocrit.

When you think about it. It's the same thing that KVR does everyday to the SE developers. Everybody here is ok with that so just shut it. As a matter of fact to be fair (not that kvr is concerned about that) KVR need a Delphi badge for FLS and all Delphi coded plugs. So we can all gang up on Delphi developers and call thier stuff crap and feel justified.

I'm trying to not get worked up about this but it's just so f**king unfair to not review all plugs the same way.