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pw · Post by pw » Sun Jan 21, 2007 9:24 am

John Vulich wrote:
spectrum wrote:It is not legal without permission from Roland. However, a lot of folks have done it illegally. So it is a risk that you may get caught....
Has Roland actually even bothered to pursue anybody that sampled these instruments without permission?

yes. but in the case I know of, samples of a certain Boss drum machine created by myself, the problem was not the sampling of the sounds, but using the name of the drum machine in the marketing.

John Vulich · Post by **John Vulich** » Sun Jan 21, 2007 9:37 am

What was the outcome?

pw · Post by pw » Sun Jan 21, 2007 9:46 am

John Vulich wrote:What was the outcome?

pulled the samples from sale (got a very strongly worded letter from their lawyers). I will be 're-packaging' them without explicit reference to the Roland trademark.

Tux · Post by **Tux** » Sun Jan 21, 2007 2:08 pm

shamann wrote: ...909 (everything but the snare) are sample-based....

Incorrect.

Only the cymbals, ride and hi hat sounds are samples. The rest is pure synthesis.

John Vulich · Post by **John Vulich** » Sun Jan 21, 2007 2:12 pm

Yeah, that's what I thought too.

shamann · Post by **shamann** » Sun Jan 21, 2007 3:12 pm

Tux wrote:
shamann wrote: ...909 (everything but the snare) are sample-based....
Incorrect.

Only the cymbals, ride and hi hat sounds are samples. The rest is pure synthesis.

Fine, whatever. Probably the least pertinent part of my post, but that's the interweb for you.

pw · Post by pw » Sun Jan 21, 2007 3:24 pm

Kingston wrote:it's the same rule as with any emulation and sampling: no use of trademarks (could be brand/model/name/likeness) without permission and/or license.

other than that, anything goes.

Yes, so just go for it dusted william, and be creative in the marketing of the samples.

dusted william · Post by **dusted william** » Sun Jan 21, 2007 4:33 pm

pw wrote:
Kingston wrote:it's the same rule as with any emulation and sampling: no use of trademarks (could be brand/model/name/likeness) without permission and/or license.

other than that, anything goes.
Yes, so just go for it dusted william, and be creative in the marketing of the samples.

I might just do that.

dw

mistertoast · Post by **mistertoast** » Sun Jan 21, 2007 5:10 pm

Are the sample-based emulations of the sample-based machines samples of samples? Or do some people use the PCM data directly?

dusted william · Post by **dusted william** » Sun Jan 21, 2007 5:42 pm

mistertoast wrote:Are the sample-based emulations of the sample-based machines samples of samples? Or do some people use the PCM data directly?

I want to sample straight from the outputs.

dw

mistertoast · Post by **mistertoast** » Sun Jan 21, 2007 5:47 pm

>>I want to sample straight from the outputs.

Why would you do that rather than go from the ROMs?

shamann · Post by **shamann** » Sun Jan 21, 2007 5:51 pm

mistertoast wrote:Why would you do that rather than go from the ROMs?

I'm pretty sure that there is a stronger case for that being illegal.

original flipper · Post by **original flipper** » Sun Jan 21, 2007 6:13 pm

HI

'Spectrum' gave you a name at Roland - why don't you ask them, your prepared to put yourself on the legal line based on opinions!

I never understood these threads - I will sample anything and re-jig it, so it becomes mine - unless you wanna make money on the back of telling someone they are buying 'authentic' Roland samples.

It appears that you either get permission OR alter the sample content slightly and don't use the trade name.

Flipper.

dusted william · Post by **dusted william** » Sun Jan 21, 2007 6:23 pm

original flipper wrote:HI

'Spectrum' gave you a name at Roland - why don't you ask them, your prepared to put yourself on the legal line based on opinions!

I never understood these threads - I will sample anything and re-jig it, so it becomes mine - unless you wanna make money on the back of telling someone they are buying 'authentic' Roland samples.

It appears that you either get permission OR alter the sample content slightly and don't use the trade name.

Flipper.

Getting permission is part of my plan.

dw

original flipper · Post by **original flipper** » Sun Jan 21, 2007 11:05 pm

HI

Sorry if that sounded abrasive!

I am pretty sure lots of people don't get permission - but is it worth the risk?

Flipper.

what are the laws for sampling 909,606,707's?