I am aware than you can program many parameters to the MIDI CTL # of your choice for sequencing. But I am looking for a list of the default responses. I use Finale which pre-sets its scores for the Garritan Library MIDI controllers, which sometimes do or do not work with Miro. Any list of what Miro responds to by default?
Andrew
Miroslav default MIDI controller response
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- KVRAF
- 4692 posts since 28 Jan, 2003 from In these very interwebs
It depends on the patch. the plain "vanilla" patches (the parent presets, not the child presets) have:
CC7 - Part volume
CC10 - Pan
CC12-15 - Macro 1-4
The AMV patches typically add CC1 (mod wheel) to swell. I think the EXPR patches add CC11 (expression) to swell as well, but I'm not 100% sure (I'll have to check).
-Kim.
CC7 - Part volume
CC10 - Pan
CC12-15 - Macro 1-4
The AMV patches typically add CC1 (mod wheel) to swell. I think the EXPR patches add CC11 (expression) to swell as well, but I'm not 100% sure (I'll have to check).
-Kim.
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- KVRian
- 541 posts since 1 Jan, 2004
pardon me but cc#11 is THE standard in orchestral libs for expression and control of volume. cc#7 should only be used to set the overall volume of a part. therefore cc#11 must be implemeted for all patches. it hurts nothing to just program it anyway, so why was this not done for all sustaining instruments in philharmonik?
"..What is simple, is simply seen.."
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- KVRAF
- 4692 posts since 28 Jan, 2003 from In these very interwebs
Nexussynth, I hereby pardon you. 
On a more serious note, I agree that it's important to be able to set the part volume independantly to the phrasing and expression. One way to do this in Miroslav Philharmonik is to use CC7 for expression, and take advantage of the multiple output channels, and set the overall volume in your host's mixer.
Alternatively, using CC1 (modwheel) makes it much easier to "play in" the phrasing and expression during a live take, for a more natural and musical approach.
-Kim.
On a more serious note, I agree that it's important to be able to set the part volume independantly to the phrasing and expression. One way to do this in Miroslav Philharmonik is to use CC7 for expression, and take advantage of the multiple output channels, and set the overall volume in your host's mixer.
Alternatively, using CC1 (modwheel) makes it much easier to "play in" the phrasing and expression during a live take, for a more natural and musical approach.
-Kim.
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- KVRian
- 541 posts since 1 Jan, 2004
agreed.
but if you examine how 90% of orchestral scores are mocked-up you may find that track envelopes are added after-the-fact from note playing/entry. some draw controllers by hand. i use both ways.
often I play with two hands and this makes any modwheel movements impossible. yes you could use an expression pedal but they seldom respond correctly and much editing is then required, so why not just make your expressions afterward with track envelopes?
so i say again, it doesn't affect anything to assign cc#11 to all the patches, so this should be the default assignment.
i would really appreciate seeing this in an update
but if you examine how 90% of orchestral scores are mocked-up you may find that track envelopes are added after-the-fact from note playing/entry. some draw controllers by hand. i use both ways.
often I play with two hands and this makes any modwheel movements impossible. yes you could use an expression pedal but they seldom respond correctly and much editing is then required, so why not just make your expressions afterward with track envelopes?
so i say again, it doesn't affect anything to assign cc#11 to all the patches, so this should be the default assignment.
i would really appreciate seeing this in an update
"..What is simple, is simply seen.."
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- KVRer
- Topic Starter
- 25 posts since 19 Jun, 2006 from new york, new york
What does "swell" refer to, if not volume? In other libraries like Garritan it actually changes timbre, but Miro does not behave that way that I am aware of.Kim (esoundz) wrote:It depends on the patch. the plain "vanilla" patches (the parent presets, not the child presets) have:
CC7 - Part volume
CC10 - Pan
CC12-15 - Macro 1-4
The AMV patches typically add CC1 (mod wheel) to swell. I think the EXPR patches add CC11 (expression) to swell as well, but I'm not 100% sure (I'll have to check).
-Kim.
Also, a MIDI file I created in Finale that exported as MIDI seems to only work effectively when using the AMV patches, even though the only controller being used is CC#7 which you claim works on all the patches. Perhaps this isn't true?
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- KVRist
- 58 posts since 13 Aug, 2005
GPO patches are programmed so that the modwheel (or CC1 to be spesific) controls different filters as well as volume (swell) when you push the wheel up or down. It works for a few patches but as a result instruments can sound very strident in GPO. Personally I'm glad that in Philharmonik SWELL only affects volume and I agree with nexussynth, I really wish CC11 was assigned to all patches.
Oh, and btw, SWELL is volume, just one of three ways to control it. You have the mastervolume which affects all the instruments, then you have part volume (CC#7) to set the level of one instrument, and you have Expression/Swell (CC#11) so you can draw/input volumechanges on a track. The main difference between CC#7 and CC#11 is that you can change the partvolume, CC#7, at any time, and if you have made any expression-data on a track it will still be read, (the volume dips or peaks will be the same) but with less or with higher output, depending on what you changed CC#7 to of course...
Chris
Oh, and btw, SWELL is volume, just one of three ways to control it. You have the mastervolume which affects all the instruments, then you have part volume (CC#7) to set the level of one instrument, and you have Expression/Swell (CC#11) so you can draw/input volumechanges on a track. The main difference between CC#7 and CC#11 is that you can change the partvolume, CC#7, at any time, and if you have made any expression-data on a track it will still be read, (the volume dips or peaks will be the same) but with less or with higher output, depending on what you changed CC#7 to of course...
Chris