Van Gelis Sound.

[laputa_sync]

You just call moi an idiot?

Noooo - the bozos that post missives like "the cs80v doesn't sound like the real deal at all imo ... "

You just hit me?

[HHaynes]

You just hit me?

Nope - the person who typed that stupid comment that I quoted...


Lost in translation

[mon0]

version...

ftp://ftp2.arturia.com/samples/demoweb/CS80V_demo.mp3

A CS-80V demo song inspired by Vangelis and Eddie Jobsom. Big thanks to Mitsuru Sakaue.

The first minute of that demo is not half-bad, but I'm not sure I'd make it that bright if I was doing an "homage" to to Vangelis. I'd also find a way to show off the poly-aftertouch capabilities, even if I had to program it manually in a sequencer. One of the reasons I have a Kurzweil MIDIBoard is the PolyAT option, and I also have an ExpressionMate for the ribbon and breath controller inputs. The CS-80 doesn't really come into it's own until you can control it like the original. I created a brief example of the characteristic sound of the CS-80 in my review on audioMIDI.com's web site.

While the demo is not dead-on, it's pretty good - and anyone who says the Arturia CS-80V is *nothing* like the original is just plain nuts.

How many CS-80 do you own to make that statement?

[laputa_sync]

You just hit me?

Nope - the person who typed that stupid comment that I quoted...


Lost in translation

youre insultan me engrish?

[Boulotaur2024]

He's right the brass synth is too bright (so is the bass) and overall it's very dull (my opinion).

I've probably listened to every single track of Vangelis so I know his style "by heart". And no I don't own a Cs-80.

[hifiboom]

VSTi dullness....

[Meffy]

Instead of frequency, use wavelength.





... oops, sorry -- that's how to get the Van Morrison sound. Never mind.

[HHaynes]

How many CS-80 do you own to make that statement?

Do you have to "own" one - or simply have experience playing one in order to qualify?

[hifiboom]

its not that these emulations don't capture the overall sound of the original thing like shown in the above demo sounds... presets do sound close.

but if you compare them one by one(emu vs real thing), preset by preset you will realize that the virtual emulation is missing something. And that bit is the main part of what makes the original instrument that famous...


imperfections in calculations of the virtual components(lfo,osc,filter,...) which seem to affect the final sound:
-higher notes suffer from antialiasing
-for example tuning cutoff down to a very low level results more or less in a dull boring sound, where as the original instrument stays rich in sound....
-lower notes have less pressure
-static sound due to perfect stability of "digital oscillators", lfo and other components, which are just too perfect in digital world.

so for the one or other, it may be satisfiying, but it is still a question of what an individual is demanding in perfection of soundquality....

of course turning up the sampling rate will help to make these things sound better, leading to more cpu consumption.

[tony Smyth]

Boys, boys, an interesting thread is, yet again, turning into "my dick is bigger than yours".

They are both scrawny and pathetic. SIGH> Can you not just stay on topic and NOT turn it into a competition?

[laputa_sync]

Boys, boys, an interesting thread is, yet again, turning into "my dick is bigger than yours".

They are both scrawny and pathetic. SIGH> Can you not just stay on topic and NOT turn it into a competition?

the facts are out there, waiting for someone to post a certain word...

[living sounds]

Adding to what hifiboom said, there is an incredible amount of distortion, nonlinearities, saturation artefacts on the original Bladerunner recording that really add to the overall sound.

[tranel]

Good morning everybody.

You all know the sound of Vangelis music.
I love this sound very much.
I would like to find out which vst would produce this
sound best.:

I am big Vangelis fan myself. Two things, of course, do stand out in terms of the sounds that he uses - the big, analog CS80 pad and the Oberheim-esque horn (don't know if it actually is an Oberheim) used on eg. Chariots of fire.

BUT, the key here is not the sounds. You can take do slow atmospheric chords with the CS80V, but still not sound like Vangelis. Instead, the harmonies are crucial - the way he "slides" from one chord to another.

Say, if you're playing C major and then move on to D major. Vangelis (the way it sounds to me) would play the C major (G, C, E), then while playing this chord also play the F# before fully switching to D major (A, D, F#). Going on to, say, F major, he would probably play A as an "intro" to this chord before making the switch.

Also, to me, his pad work is characterized by a "wave-like" rhythm, like listening to waves rolling in on the beach, the same ebb and flow. Just like in classical music, the dynamics are paramount.

This rhythm is, to me, his most characteristic trait. A lot of other artists can do pad chords, but not with the same feel. Also, he very rarely uses straight three-note chords, they're mostly 7ths and 9ths, combined with the playing technique described above.

Other than that, bell sounds are prominent (often with heavy reverb, while the pads are drier). Also, constantly modulate the sounds you're playing, like somebody pointed out.

[himalaya]

I am big Vangelis fan myself. Two things, of course, do stand out in terms of the sounds that he uses - the big, analog CS80 pad and the Oberheim-esque horn (don't know if it actually is an Oberheim) used on eg. Chariots of fire.

The 'horn' sound you refer to is indeed a CS80 again.
By the way, he has owned EIGHT of them !!!!
CS80 for pads, brass, gentle solo sounds and that freakingly good ring modulation mayhem, goosebumps city.

[omissis]

You want a Vangelis' CS80 brass? Slam two sawtooths slightly detuned, hope you've got a 2 pole double filter and poly aftertouch, that's it.....Vangelis was a preset boy, really, and if you think that the CS80 was made just for meeowing brasses you've missed the point about it: it was and is a performance tool, not a sound design tool.
The CS80V has much of the oldie, still isn't enough for some "necessary" subtleties but let's say that 75% of a CS80 is there; counting not that I've created the VP330 human voice there ( except for the chorus effect ) so the CS80V has got much of the old but you can keep it as your main synth if it's sound that you want