KVR Audio

dannicool11 · Post by **dannicool11** » Sun Feb 25, 2007 1:33 pm

I have about 400$ in my hands and im going to buy some old used vintage synth, which one would you buy that is worth like 0-300$ ? (i leave 100$ for shipping and other stuff.)

sb.net · Post by **sb.net** » Sun Feb 25, 2007 4:44 pm

maybe a minimoog, but on ebay an early virus goes for about that much.

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kaverka · Post by **kaverka** » Sun Feb 25, 2007 5:21 pm

Try to get a Yamaha FS1R. Best FM synth ever made. Period.

Killvehicle · Post by **Killvehicle** » Sun Feb 25, 2007 5:23 pm

Id keep saving.. Get about $1,000 and come back..

dannicool11 · Post by **dannicool11** » Sun Feb 25, 2007 10:19 pm

I have a huge wishlist but it only includes stuff over 1.000$, but i actually want a cheap synth to screw around with before i go into the heavy expensive stuff, and i have nooo idea what cheap vintage synth is worth the money.
Also, Thanks Kaverka im checking into that synth.

LBN · Post by **LBN** » Mon Feb 26, 2007 5:55 am

I would bypass "vintage" and get an Alesis Micron. More versatile than vintage, more reliable, fantastic sound/features for the price.

jplanet · Post by **jplanet** » Mon Feb 26, 2007 7:22 am

A few that come to mind: Oberheim Matrix 1000, Novation Bass Station Rack, Roland JX-8P, Juno 106. All genuine analog machines.

The problem with these, is that when people say that VSTI's have not caught up to the best analogs, they don't mean these...they mean the really good Moogs and OBXa, Jupiters, etc. VSTi's have mostly surpassed the above I've mentioned even just in terms of sound quality, let alone functionality and convenience.

Money might be better spent on something that will improve the overall sound quality of your setup, like a really amazing mic or one of the new pro-sumer hardware reverbs...

bduffy · Post by **bduffy** » Mon Feb 26, 2007 7:30 am

That's what I'm thinking too: I'd probably add $100 and get this when it comes out.

Xnah · Post by **Xnah** » Mon Feb 26, 2007 7:35 am

Get Massive or Zebra2 (or Surge or VAZ Mod) and stop desiring hardware synths. They're just not worth it, unless you grew up with them (in which case you wouldn't need to ask for information

). I've tried it, bought (a.o.) a Waldorf MicrowaveXT, which is generally considered a great synth. But it just doesn't work for me, because it's hardware, and that's a lot more trouble to integrate in your workflow than a VSTi. (and adding to jplanet's advice: My purchase of KRK's helped my musical efforts much more than the hardware synths).

In addition to that, the *real* vintage synths either don't support MIDI at all, or you might have to learn all the details of SysEx dumps etc.

On the other hand, it can be fun to play on a hardware synth, just like it can be fun playing a real guitar.

Radek · Post by **Radek** » Mon Feb 26, 2007 7:59 am

Xnah wrote: In addition to that, the *real* vintage synths either don't support MIDI at all, or you might have to learn all the details of SysEx dumps etc.

There is always a need to learn to use a new tool properly. Sysex aren't a rocket science and for many hardware synths there are editors. Using a softsynth will not make someone free of its learning curve. Especially for the more sophisticated ones and if someone will rely just on presets then using hardware module is hardly incomprehensible.

Xnah wrote:On the other hand, it can be fun to play on a hardware synth, just like it can be fun playing a real guitar.

Synths differ in characters and it's true not matter in which form they are. Sytrus sounds differently than FM8, so is Octopus or FS1R. There in KVR isn't uncommon to see questions about Virus substitutes because people desire that kind type of sound. Originals are more "realistic" (it's obvious) than their copies yet might not be as convenient as plugins.

Nothing for free unfortunately and there are always cons.

dannicool11 · Post by **dannicool11** » Mon Feb 26, 2007 12:03 pm

i dont use presets, i only create my own patches. But hey, thanks for the tips dudes! The gear i have now is an Electribe SX, KorgMS2000B and a buuunch of programs. Im thinking, should i just go with software synths and just program my MS2000 to work like it should with the buttons like if i turn the Frequency knob it would change Frequency in the Soft?
I really like hands-on feel, but i was more thinkin about the sound since i already have devices that give me hands-on feel.

One question that maybe doesnt belong here, but im going to ask anyway.

I've been using Reason alot and im gonna start using my Cubase software, how do i remove that blasted 1-2 second latency ? i've tried everything! :l

mao · Post by **mao** » Mon Feb 26, 2007 12:25 pm

300-400$ ? here you are:

FS1R ... best FM synthesis !!!
2nd hand DSI EVOLVER... best analog for this price !!!

and... yes... go hardware... I just bought a 2nd hand kawai K3M (sampled wave osc + real additive osc, real analog filters and amp) for less 100$ and it simply kick a@@. Amazing '80 sounds.

Xnah · Post by **Xnah** » Mon Feb 26, 2007 12:27 pm

I don't have an MS2000, but I suppose every knob sends MIDI / CC data, and there might even be lots of templates for common soft synths (since the MS2000 is a very popular synth). I know I can use my OB12 as 'just' a MIDI controller (it even has a setting to switch off all internal sound), but never used it like that...

mao · Post by **mao** » Mon Feb 26, 2007 12:28 pm

you'll remove the latency (well 5-10 ms it's normal) using an audio card with ASIO driver... choose a M-AUDIO card or an RME Hamerfall (a little bit expensive but...)

Lance · Post by **Lance** » Mon Feb 26, 2007 12:34 pm

http://cgi.ebay.com/MEGA-RARE-YAMAHA-CS ... 0089004962

http://www.vintagesynth.com/yamaha/cs5.shtml

Maybe this, but then I'd learn how crap is a vintage analogue synth.

What would you buy for 200-300$?