Shows us Theory Newbies how to implement chords.

[No name]

Something has come to my attention that is interesting to me. So when using chords, it is common practice to share a chord between more than one instrument? This is an interesting concept to me as i've just always learned that a chord is play by one instrument, not share between more than one instrument. Sounds like fun too.

[nuffink]

I don't comment on every jazz-inspired nuance you write about, so please accept that the classical-style is what I am familiar with, and what I generally write about. I was commenting on a common classical chord-sequence, not attempting to analyse a recent pop song.

But you do. You post in virtually every thread in this forum. Often giving wholly misleading information based on a limited knowledge of theory.

By the way. The site I linked to is run by the Dolmetsch foundation. It's dedicated to the teachings of Arnold Dolmetsch, one of the leading lights of the early music revival. It couldn't possibly be further from jazz theory. What do I have to do to show you that this isn't a question of jazz vs classical? You're just wrong.

[JumpingJackFlash]

Something has come to my attention that is interesting to me. So when using chords, it is common practice to share a chord between more than one instrument? This is an interesting concept to me as i've just always learned that a chord is play by one instrument, not share between more than one instrument. Sounds like fun too.

Yes. Many instruments can only play one note at a time (all woodwind and brass instruments for example). - It is not possible for them to play chords all by themselves, but the notes they play still fit in with whatever the chord is at that point.

In modern pop, it is common to have a piano or guitar playing the chords, but this is not the only sort of music. Take my string quartet example above; the notes of the chord are shared between the instruments. This typically requires a greater understanding of part-writing (and knowledge of the instruments in question), but it can provide more interesting music than simply chord+melody.

[Km7]

Something has come to my attention that is interesting to me. So when using chords, it is common practice to share a chord between more than one instrument? This is an interesting concept to me as i've just always learned that a chord is play by one instrument, not share between more than one instrument. Sounds like fun too.

It's a matter of orchestration. Chord tones may be played by different instrumental groups/instruments. Or you can have a complete harmonic instrument, i.e. all chord tones are identical in tembre (for example, pads) which leads to bigger harmonic coherence for providing background, because the tone colour of all chord tones is the same.
P.S.: I see JJF has replied, too. Maybe I didn't get your question...

[JumpingJackFlash]

I don't comment on every jazz-inspired nuance you write about, so please accept that the classical-style is what I am familiar with, and what I generally write about. I was commenting on a common classical chord-sequence, not attempting to analyse a recent pop song.

But you do. You post in virtually every thread in this forum. Often giving wholly misleading information based on a limited knowledge of theory.

Examples please?

What do I have to do to show you that this isn't a question of jazz vs classical? You're just wrong.

No, you have clearly turned it into a question of jazz vs classical. I posted a perfectly adequate example of a common classical chord sequence, and you start chiming in about how it's different in jazz. - It may well be, but that's irrelevant.

Also, this topic is clearly for people who are fairly new to harmony. - Do you honestly think they care less about whether a seventh is major or minor? - Let's start with the basics shall we.

[nuffink]

Also, this topic is clearly for people who are fairly new to harmony. - Do you honestly think they care less about whether a seventh is major or minor? - Let's start with the basics shall we.

What, so they should be happy with your nonsense because they know no better?

[nuffink]

I don't comment on every jazz-inspired nuance you write about, so please accept that the classical-style is what I am familiar with, and what I generally write about. I was commenting on a common classical chord-sequence, not attempting to analyse a recent pop song.

But you do. You post in virtually every thread in this forum. Often giving wholly misleading information based on a limited knowledge of theory.

Examples please?

Let's start here shall we... http://www.kvraudio.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=169538

To paraphrase...

"Hey nuffink will your plugin do blah..."

Answer from jjf

"I don't know the plugin but have you seen my irrelevant post?"

Class

[JumpingJackFlash]

Also, this topic is clearly for people who are fairly new to harmony. - Do you honestly think they care less about whether a seventh is major or minor? - Let's start with the basics shall we.

What, so they should be happy with your nonsense because they know no better?

"nonsense"?

No, they don't need to be concerned with whether a seventh is major or minor. It's simply not important in my example. Giving people way more information than they need is just stupid. This isn't a competition to show off how much you know, it's a forum to educate people with little or no pre-existing knowledge of theory/harmony.

The way you're talking you would think I said the sea was pink. - I didn't, I said the sea was blue. You being pedantic and saying it's actually a shade of dark aquamarine is not helping anyone.

[JumpingJackFlash]

I don't comment on every jazz-inspired nuance you write about, so please accept that the classical-style is what I am familiar with, and what I generally write about. I was commenting on a common classical chord-sequence, not attempting to analyse a recent pop song.

But you do. You post in virtually every thread in this forum. Often giving wholly misleading information based on a limited knowledge of theory.

Examples please?

Let's start here shall we... http://www.kvraudio.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=169538

To paraphrase...

"Hey nuffink will your plugin do blah..."

Answer from jjf

"I don't know the plugin but have you seen my irrelevant post?"

Class

The question actually said "I want to improve my (nonexistent) music theory. I was going to get some lessons but i decided to see if i could pick it up myself first".

I posted a link to a topic on music theory which will enable him to improve his (non-existent) knowledge far better than your plugin will.

[nuffink]

No, they don't need to be concerned with whether a seventh is major or minor.

That's ridiculous. If that were true there would be no functional difference between a 7(dominant) chord and a major 7. After all they're both just ornamentations of a major triad in your "theory".

For anyone who's struggling with theory, trust me, this is arrant rubbish.

[nuffink]

I posted a link to a topic on music theory which will enable him to improve his (non-existent) knowledge far better than your plugin will.

Only if he wants to write 18th century music spectacularly badly.

[JumpingJackFlash]

No, they don't need to be concerned with whether a seventh is major or minor.

That's ridiculous. If that were true there would be no functional difference between a 7(dominant) chord and a major 7. After all they're both just ornamentations of a major triad in your "theory".

For anyone who's struggling with theory, trust me, this is arrant rubbish.

Can't you get it? - I'm not talking about function. It's a matter of nomenclature. Do I call a chord a seventh chord, or do I specify that it's a minor-seventh chord? Minor sevenths and major sevenths are both sevenths. In elementary classical harmony the distinction is not important.

For anyone who's struggling with theory, trust me: If you want to go through reams of jazz chords, go to nuffink. If however, you want to start with simple principles and gradually move on, read what I write. nuffink thinks jazz is the be-all and end-all of music. Fact is, it isn't.

[JumpingJackFlash]

I posted a link to a topic on music theory which will enable him to improve his (non-existent) knowledge far better than your plugin will.

Only if he wants to write 18th century music spectacularly badly.

What? Now you're just saying anything you think will make you look good and me bad.

Fact is, my post deals with scales, keys, intervals, time signatures, simple chords and more. - These things are the basis, not just of 18th century music, but of all music. - You can't understand jazz without a knowledge of things like scales and intervals, even you must admit that.

[nuffink]

Can't you get it? - I'm not talking about function. It's a matter of nomenclature.

Which you keep getting wrong.

[nuffink]

What? Now you're just saying anything you think will make you look good and me bad.

I'm trying not to. Honestly.