bduffy's tip - cutting 500 hz. im actually amazed

[bmanic]

Remind me to get a dual core.

Some of us have a dual core (intel core 2 duo) and have only 1 single plugin running.. 95% cpu usage.



Hint: It's name is a cloud of gas in outer space.. and it aint the free version.

Cheers!
bManic

[bduffy]

Remind me to get a dual core.

Some of us have a dual core (intel core 2 duo) and have only 1 single plugin running.. 95% cpu usage.



Hint: It's name is a cloud of gas in outer space.. and it aint the free version.

Cheers!
bManic

POOOT!@!

Wow. Well, if the shoe fits..! I'm going to give this Nebula another spin, try it on a bunch of tracks; I'm curious again...

[Compyfox]

Actually I tried it the other day. Either my ears are totally borked now, or the results were all shifted in terms of panning and the outcome didn't sound that great.

Guess I wait for another update or Nebula3 then. CPU usage was low however. 1 instance, depending on the preset, 2% to 15% (max peak! single core Intel P4 2,4GHz). Then again, if I could use the Reverb from my K2000? Hm... (was that one even in the free pack? Didn't spot it, haha)

[bmanic]

Like I said.. I'm using the internal beta versions where the user has total control of how to run the software. You can even run the reverbs "brute force".. now that's how you put even the fastest computer to it's knees.

The free version works fine though. I was just having a laugh at the insane plugin count some of you have.

Compyfox: What presets were panned? What you are hearing is a probably a general shift in "image", not just simple panning. Some of the examples might have been sampled from hardware that has slight level differences in the left and right output or input but this is pretty normal, no use getting too anal about dead center. It's not very useful.

Cheers!
bManic

[Compyfox]

Sure not, but if it's a stereo compressor, reverb or EQ and you hear it on almost everything? I'm using the free version, and the majority of the presets were shifted.

Not a big of a deal, I wanted to see this baby in action anyway (which is nice, but I'm not convinced yet), but still. Ah nevermind, we're getting way off topic here.

[bmanic]

Sure not, but if it's a stereo compressor, reverb or EQ and you hear it on almost everything? I'm using the free version, and the majority of the presets were shifted.

You should maybe report this as a bug. I would check out the free version right away but alas, this poor pentium3 laptop with a whopping 128mb memory refuses to work with.. well, anything!

Cheers!
bManic

[bduffy]

Man, I'm trying to process all the tracks in a song with this, and what a PITA! I can't get Wavelab or Cubase to get through it without errors, it's just too much content..

[EoN604]

I find myself cutting around those octaves the most, regaurdless of content. Around 125, 250, 500, 1000...Especially if the bass is filling up the registries around the 60's

That's kind of... unconventional, isn't it?

I find I almost always eq in octaves now...IME it's typically better to make a few smaller notches than one big one.

I find this interesting. Do you actually find that this works? I can't help but think that its trying to get too fiddly for something that (IMO) hasn't really given great results.

Also, don't spectrum analyzers generally display some sort of 'blocks' in the lower frequencies, potentially exagerating these harmonics/EQ points you're talking about? (Particularily the 60Hz. AFAIK its best not to take a spectrum analyzer readout of that too seriously?) Thus trying to correct them is sort of futile? I could be completely wrong here, but very interested!

Mainly just curious to know if this actually works! Because the idea occured to me a long while ago, but when I tried it, it didn't really go far.

I have usually used high passes (depending on the source) from 60 to as high as 500. Higher dB cuts the below 60, gentler above.
High pass makes more sense to me, why are you using a different filter?

I was addressing that to either BDuffy or the ESoundz poster.
Anyone, actually, who could explain why for low frequency, a smiley face would work better than a ski slope (to use the proper EQ terminology).

What? Why are you comparing a 500Hz dip to a 500hz High pass? They are entirely different things that have completely different effects on the sound. If someone is recommending a dip at 500hz, you can be fairly certain that they aren't talking about a high pass. Firstly because they specified dip, even visually graphed it. Secondly because a high pass wouldnt make sense (if talking about kick/bass etc) How good do you think a 500hz high pass is going to sound on a kick & bass?

Finally - thanks heaps for the tip bduffy & esoundz! very interesting. I'm going to give it a shot on my latest track now Very interesting indeed!

[bduffy]

Thanks! Yeah, try it out. I found Kim's original tutorial very inspirational, at the very least it reminds me that it's good to shake it up, try different techniques that work well for others.

And you're right about highpass; we're talking dip, for sure.

[Zaphod (giancarlo)]

Sure not, but if it's a stereo compressor, reverb or EQ and you hear it on almost everything? I'm using the free version, and the majority of the presets were shifted.

Not a big of a deal, I wanted to see this baby in action anyway (which is nice, but I'm not convinced yet), but still. Ah nevermind, we're getting way off topic here.

Hi compyfox,
there original 70 reverbs programs are a little shifted because the original reverb is a bit shifted. We didn't correct this behaviour (I don't find a reason for doing it).

About ALL other programs, they are sampled from hardware gear. Sometimes the two channels have not the same level. But there is a workaround very simple: push the MONO-L button in your KERN page and push SAVE. Everything is in the user manual.

About the K2K reverb: simply posted the Real Room preset, we sampled pretty everything from that unit. Probably we'll give also the Sweet Hall for free. We didn't before because it has a big size, for someone it is a pity, especially for trying a free product.

[Zaphod (giancarlo)]

Sure not, but if it's a stereo compressor, reverb or EQ and you hear it on almost everything? I'm using the free version, and the majority of the presets were shifted.

Not a big of a deal, I wanted to see this baby in action anyway (which is nice, but I'm not convinced yet), but still. Ah nevermind, we're getting way off topic here.

incredibly, while someone is asking for a better quality, someone is asking for better performances. We'll upload soon a new version with a "ECONO" button. For the "2055 angels eq" my centrino 2.2 Ghz is 3%. Here 2 considerations:
1) everyone should work with a computer better than my old notebook (2 years old)
2) our ECONO mode is better than the better setting I find on an other plug eq. Other eq developers are using sometimes a 32 bit FFT library, we are proposing here a 64 bit FFT library and we are NOT convinced, so the NORMAL setting is based on a brute force direct convolution. For us, quality first of all.
3) the original gear used for this program costs around 2000$ (or even more, I don't remember). About the original gear, some opinions grabbed here and there:

XXX in my opinion is the best stereo EQ on the market. Possibly the best ever made. I like it because it has a very natural, musical sound. Particularly noticeable are the clear open high frequencies and warm lows. I use it on whatever is most important in the mix. Sometimes it's the lead vocal, sometimes the mix buss itself. It has saved a lot of records.

ehi guys, we simply sampled it, they are hundreds of samples, every sample was recorded using a 60 second sinesweep.
Again, we are crazy for the quality matter.
You have this for FREE.
Last but not lest, in our plug the kernel lenght is not limited. The StateOfLogic emulation, given for free (someone is selling it for an high price) is SAMPLED, hundred of samples, and you can extend the kernel length to crazy buffer sizes if you want.
Why do you speak about other mastering software eq? What are you looking for? the moon?

[endfindead]

I seem to remember an article in CM about the 400-500Hz range being irritating to humans, after prolonged exposure......I'll ask my Perceptual Systems lecturer l8r (ho ho)

[bool]

Yeah you can cut in that 400-500 range to get more fluid sound.

[Hellbilly]

Great tip on the 500hz dip and it seems to work for me on some sounds and instruments with electri-Q, my favourite EQ.

One thing i'm wondering though is the advice mention earlier from BT to highpass at 200hz on everything except drums and bass.......since i'm a newbie at EQ, would this be the correct curve for that?



It seems to remove an awful lot of punch from some synth sounds.

[bool]

I don't know ... my "magic" frequencies are 125 and 170Hz ... but I ain't no BT. Ymmv.