Hey, just tested all versions. Somehow ACID picked them all up this time... Very interesting synthesizer here, the oscillators sound clean.
Just one question though. How come on changing the pulse width of the RAMP wave, it sounds like a supersaw?
XHip--Please finish your synth!!
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- KVRAF
- 2910 posts since 26 Jul, 2005 from dun unda
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- KVRAF
- 12615 posts since 7 Dec, 2004
"How come on changing the pulse width of the RAMP wave, it sounds like a supersaw?"
is that a rhetorical question?
the reason for that is, i didnt want to add a specific "supersaw" control there. in later versions of the gui, the controls and layout will be rearanged with proper labels. with the triangle wave, the pulsewidth acts as a "waveshaping depth" control where 100% = sine, as well.
is that a rhetorical question?
the reason for that is, i didnt want to add a specific "supersaw" control there. in later versions of the gui, the controls and layout will be rearanged with proper labels. with the triangle wave, the pulsewidth acts as a "waveshaping depth" control where 100% = sine, as well.
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- KVRAF
- 4669 posts since 26 Sep, 2005 from U.A.E
which one? the first is a given, and the second is impossible.xis23 wrote:has xhip got antialiasing/alias free?
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- KVRAF
- 12615 posts since 7 Dec, 2004
"hmmm, to sad - linux version of xhip crahses ext2 - beta (march 16) when gui is opened."
this is the fault of xt2. according to the people who can get it to work, the prefered configuration is a out-of-the-box ubuntu distro with gnome. on that platform apparently xhip works perfectly.
xhip doesnt work with xt2 for me on my debian unstable distro, it probably doesnt work on anything except the distro they recommend. xt2 for linux is extremely unstable and just in the beginning stages of development.
i'll release my own host in the near future, i need one for testing xhip in a stable enviroment anyway. with xt2 there is no way to tell if a bug is infact with xhip, or with xt2. the gui issue is probably a combination.
this is the fault of xt2. according to the people who can get it to work, the prefered configuration is a out-of-the-box ubuntu distro with gnome. on that platform apparently xhip works perfectly.
xhip doesnt work with xt2 for me on my debian unstable distro, it probably doesnt work on anything except the distro they recommend. xt2 for linux is extremely unstable and just in the beginning stages of development.
i'll release my own host in the near future, i need one for testing xhip in a stable enviroment anyway. with xt2 there is no way to tell if a bug is infact with xhip, or with xt2. the gui issue is probably a combination.
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- KVRAF
- 9590 posts since 17 Sep, 2002 from Gothenburg Sweden
Why would an alias free synth be impossible ?laputa_sync wrote:which one? the first is a given, and the second is impossible.xis23 wrote:has xhip got antialiasing/alias free?
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- KVRAF
- 12615 posts since 7 Dec, 2004
well it would have to be additive, and even then you'll have aliasing due to the non-zero thd of sinewaves represented with a limited bit depth. basically you'd need infinite sampling rate and infinite bitdepth to have zero aliasing.
so, technically it is possible. it isnt something anyone in this universe will ever see, though.
so, technically it is possible. it isnt something anyone in this universe will ever see, though.
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- KVRAF
- 9590 posts since 17 Sep, 2002 from Gothenburg Sweden
I forgot to add:depending on your definiton of aliasing.aciddose wrote:well it would have to be additive, and even then you'll have aliasing due to the non-zero thd of sinewaves represented with a limited bit depth. basically you'd need infinite sampling rate and infinite bitdepth to have zero aliasing.
so, technically it is possible. it isnt something anyone in this universe will ever see, though.
To me lower than -144 dB is below the theoretical limit the soundcard can play. So anything below that isn't really aliasing.
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- KVRAF
- 12615 posts since 7 Dec, 2004
well, since float cant represent a signal of 1.0 scale while maintaining a noise floor of -144db, that means using vst it is impossible to do what you say.
yes it really is dependant upon how you define aliasing. by my standards (what you can actually hear) xhip is aliasing free. at lower sampling rates however you'll get audible effects caused by problems with sinc-peak vs. sampled peak differences in the output. this is due to the way sampling works, due to the way the soundcard produces the analog signal from the digital one. at 192khz, xhip is perfect. if the soundcard upsampled the input digital signal to 192khz before coverting it to analog, xhip would be perfect in my opinion at 48khz.
so, not only does it depend upon how you define aliasing (if subjective) but also what other effects can contribute to imperfection, such as a lower quality soundcard/dac.
based upon the scientific definition of aliasing, it is practically impossible to produce zero aliasing signals. based upon our subjective definition of "what you can hear", it becomes possible with a 192khz sampling rate and 24 bits.
yes it really is dependant upon how you define aliasing. by my standards (what you can actually hear) xhip is aliasing free. at lower sampling rates however you'll get audible effects caused by problems with sinc-peak vs. sampled peak differences in the output. this is due to the way sampling works, due to the way the soundcard produces the analog signal from the digital one. at 192khz, xhip is perfect. if the soundcard upsampled the input digital signal to 192khz before coverting it to analog, xhip would be perfect in my opinion at 48khz.
so, not only does it depend upon how you define aliasing (if subjective) but also what other effects can contribute to imperfection, such as a lower quality soundcard/dac.
based upon the scientific definition of aliasing, it is practically impossible to produce zero aliasing signals. based upon our subjective definition of "what you can hear", it becomes possible with a 192khz sampling rate and 24 bits.
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- KVRist
- 450 posts since 22 Nov, 2005
Whats the best version to download off your page acidose?
You know most stable ect...
You know most stable ect...
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- KVRian
- 889 posts since 10 Jul, 2004
i really miss the old thread where u could find all info and development updates......while this thread is just a mess with people bringin upo the same questions all over again.
anyway aciddose dont know if u seen this thread
http://www.kvraudio.com/forum/viewtopic ... sc&start=0
its about adding guis to guiless plugins.
havent read through it but maybe could be perfect for xhip.
not sure if it requires a guiless version of xhip...in case can u pls provide one thx.
anyway aciddose dont know if u seen this thread
http://www.kvraudio.com/forum/viewtopic ... sc&start=0
its about adding guis to guiless plugins.
havent read through it but maybe could be perfect for xhip.
not sure if it requires a guiless version of xhip...in case can u pls provide one thx.
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- KVRAF
- 8114 posts since 13 Jan, 2003 from Darkest Kent, UK
Assecas mGUI doesn't require a guiless plug, though you won't be able to access the original gui once it's skinned (yet...)_starcraft_ wrote:not sure if it requires a guiless version of xhip...in case can u pls provide one thx.
.g
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- KVRAF
- 12615 posts since 7 Dec, 2004
you might just have fond memories of that thread since it's in your past. it's a common human thing to feel that way about the past, "like it used to be".
i'm sorry i have to tell you that the old thread was exactly the same though
when i have the time i'll do better posting updates on xhip.cjb.net
i'll try to write my own message board, and i'll create a section of it where i can moderate extensively in order to make the thread very easy to read. i'll move all questions into a faq. i'll put commentary directly next to related commentary. we can have a offtopic chitchat thread as well.
doing that wouldnt be too difficult, it is just the password/registration business i need to deal with. i do not want to allow anonymous posting since there will definitely be problems with spam. it just takes a lot of thought, planning as with everything.
i'm sorry i have to tell you that the old thread was exactly the same though
when i have the time i'll do better posting updates on xhip.cjb.net
i'll try to write my own message board, and i'll create a section of it where i can moderate extensively in order to make the thread very easy to read. i'll move all questions into a faq. i'll put commentary directly next to related commentary. we can have a offtopic chitchat thread as well.
doing that wouldnt be too difficult, it is just the password/registration business i need to deal with. i do not want to allow anonymous posting since there will definitely be problems with spam. it just takes a lot of thought, planning as with everything.