With the recent release of Windows Vista, I think it will be good to help each other in the upgrade process. There will obviously be a large number of system configurations, some of which will work and some which will not. Also, some software will work without updating, and some will not. The same goes with audio gear.
So anyone who has tried or is trying Windows Vista, please post your results here. Report working or non-working gear as well as software. Also, if you could report whether you get better or worse performance in Vista, I think it may help those who are on the edge in deciding to upgrade.
I just got my upgrade, but haven't installed yet. So I'll post my own findings once I do install it.
Thanks!
Brent
Official Windows Vista Performance and Compatibility Thread
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Stupid American Pig Stupid American Pig https://www.kvraudio.com/forum/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=4753 - KVRAF
- 7065 posts since 25 Nov, 2002 from not sure
Core2duo E6600
4GB DDR800
EVGA Nforce680i SLI MB
Geforce 7900GS
Line6 toneport UX2
Edirol UA-1000
Sonar 6 PE
FL 7
Reason 3
Project 5 v2
Vista Ultimate
as of early february all drivers available and stable. Performance about 1:1 with XP, Mebbe even slightly better with MMCSS enabled in sonar.
I installed Vista as soon as it was RTM back in november, and was using Beta 2 for a few months before that. I, for one am pretty happy with vista. The *least* capable machine I had it installed on was an Athlon 4800+ which died a horrible death due to the neutral feed from the power lines to my house breaking, causing an overvoltage condition which fried the PS and just about everything in it. Anyhoo, that machine did ok with vista, but the video card and the Nforce4s fiddle PCIe seemed to hinder it some. With the core2 duo system, I have XP, Vista and VistaX64. I dont use XP or vista X64 right now, dont really see a need to except for testing purposes.
That said, dont put vista on a machine without at least a upper midrange video card. I dont really see a need to upgrade to vista, but I dont see a need to start vista hate threads either. If you buy a new PC and it has vista on it, then dont worry it works fine, and blame the RIAA and hollywood for DRM.
4GB DDR800
EVGA Nforce680i SLI MB
Geforce 7900GS
Line6 toneport UX2
Edirol UA-1000
Sonar 6 PE
FL 7
Reason 3
Project 5 v2
Vista Ultimate
as of early february all drivers available and stable. Performance about 1:1 with XP, Mebbe even slightly better with MMCSS enabled in sonar.
I installed Vista as soon as it was RTM back in november, and was using Beta 2 for a few months before that. I, for one am pretty happy with vista. The *least* capable machine I had it installed on was an Athlon 4800+ which died a horrible death due to the neutral feed from the power lines to my house breaking, causing an overvoltage condition which fried the PS and just about everything in it. Anyhoo, that machine did ok with vista, but the video card and the Nforce4s fiddle PCIe seemed to hinder it some. With the core2 duo system, I have XP, Vista and VistaX64. I dont use XP or vista X64 right now, dont really see a need to except for testing purposes.
That said, dont put vista on a machine without at least a upper midrange video card. I dont really see a need to upgrade to vista, but I dont see a need to start vista hate threads either. If you buy a new PC and it has vista on it, then dont worry it works fine, and blame the RIAA and hollywood for DRM.
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- KVRAF
- Topic Starter
- 16154 posts since 2 Dec, 2003 from Nashville, TN
SAP, since you've installed it, and since I only tried a beta version, is there any way to change the DRM settings or any other security settings that are similar? If not, does it seem to intrude with whatever else you are doing in any way?
Brent
Brent
My host is better than your host
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- Banned
- 90 posts since 21 Mar, 2007
gee i love "official" threads.
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- Banned
- 90 posts since 21 Mar, 2007
right as rain!koolkeys wrote:Hey, there wasn't a thread about it yet, and it doesn't hurt anything, eh?
Fiery the angels fell to the free fracas of fervent fellatio fathers, the end of the music software industry beckons
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- KVRist
- 278 posts since 14 Mar, 2004 from I'm standing right behind you
I know it's not anyone's favorite topic, but the new Syncrosoft dongle (Steinberg, etc.) drivers work well in Vista.
Audiophile 2496 will not work with Vista (no drivers announced, nor will m-audio discuss it)
Audiophile 2496 will not work with Vista (no drivers announced, nor will m-audio discuss it)
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- KVRAF
- Topic Starter
- 16154 posts since 2 Dec, 2003 from Nashville, TN
Thanks. I'm sure those two tidbits of information will affect quite a few people.Doug Nelson wrote:I know it's not anyone's favorite topic, but the new Syncrosoft dongle (Steinberg, etc.) drivers work well in Vista.
Audiophile 2496 will not work with Vista (no drivers announced, nor will m-audio discuss it)
Brent
My host is better than your host
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- Pick Me Pick me!
- 10257 posts since 12 Mar, 2002 from a state of confusion
I noticed that yesterday... they dont have vista drivers (released or beta) available for my revolution soundcard either.. actually, come to think of it, I didnt see ANY vista drivers on the m-audio site period!Doug Nelson wrote:I know it's not anyone's favorite topic, but the new Syncrosoft dongle (Steinberg, etc.) drivers work well in Vista.
Audiophile 2496 will not work with Vista (no drivers announced, nor will m-audio discuss it)
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- KVRer
- 14 posts since 3 Oct, 2006 from New York, NY
Surprised there's not more activity here. (Hmmm ... maybe that's a sign.)
Shuttle XPC SN26P (small form-factor barebones with a socket 939 and NVIDIA nForce 4 SLI)
GeForce 7600 GT
nvRAID (which installed automatically, thanks, Vista!)
Vista Ultimate (though I would buy Business if I had to pick it up myself)
FL Studio 7
Ableton Live 6.0.5
Various Applied Acoustics, NI plug-ins
ReMOTE SL 49
Focusrite Saffire
Edirol PCR-M80
So far, so good. Live acted really weird at first, and then ... stopped. Don't ask how. I launched with Aero Basic, which seemed to fix things. After instantiating some sampler instruments there successfully, I was able to boot back into Aero without issue. I'm guessing the first time it loads Sampler, Live does something different which wasn't playing nicely with Aero.
Otherwise, things are pretty smooth. The Saffire works very consistently. I find that Aero will cause the audio to stutter if you touch any windows, etc. You can either turn it off or ... um ... don't touch anything.
The major exception has been my PCR-M80, which doesn't want to install at all, even with the official Vista drivers from Edirol. I've tried uninstalling and reinstalling, as well. When the device is plugged in, Vista tries to find the drivers online. Even pointing manually at the folder does zilch. Any thoughts?
Peter
www.createdigitalmusic.com
Shuttle XPC SN26P (small form-factor barebones with a socket 939 and NVIDIA nForce 4 SLI)
GeForce 7600 GT
nvRAID (which installed automatically, thanks, Vista!)
Vista Ultimate (though I would buy Business if I had to pick it up myself)
FL Studio 7
Ableton Live 6.0.5
Various Applied Acoustics, NI plug-ins
ReMOTE SL 49
Focusrite Saffire
Edirol PCR-M80
So far, so good. Live acted really weird at first, and then ... stopped. Don't ask how. I launched with Aero Basic, which seemed to fix things. After instantiating some sampler instruments there successfully, I was able to boot back into Aero without issue. I'm guessing the first time it loads Sampler, Live does something different which wasn't playing nicely with Aero.
Otherwise, things are pretty smooth. The Saffire works very consistently. I find that Aero will cause the audio to stutter if you touch any windows, etc. You can either turn it off or ... um ... don't touch anything.
The major exception has been my PCR-M80, which doesn't want to install at all, even with the official Vista drivers from Edirol. I've tried uninstalling and reinstalling, as well. When the device is plugged in, Vista tries to find the drivers online. Even pointing manually at the folder does zilch. Any thoughts?
Peter
www.createdigitalmusic.com
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- KVRist
- 69 posts since 25 Jul, 2004
Are Vista drivers available for the Saffire, or are you using the XP drivers?
Mojo Chopper
Mojo Chopper
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- KVRer
- 14 posts since 3 Oct, 2006 from New York, NY
There are Vista drivers for the Saffire. Don't know when they were released, but they're out now.
I can't stress enough, though, that I think Aero is a real mess. I get all sorts of audio glitches, even just playing stereo audio from Windows Media Player, just resizing images. I tried installing NVIDIA's latest drivers for my 7600, and things actually seemed to get slightly worse. It's insane. GPU-native graphics have worked fine on far lesser Mac OS X machines for years, and even on Linux, for crying out loud.
In fact, to me what I've seen in the press and from Microsoft has to be technically wrong. If the graphics were running on the GPU, or if Aero really required "a fast graphics card," you wouldn't be seeing issues in CPU-native tasks like audio. It's clearly a CPU bottleneck, which means something is running CPU-bound and hogging the system. It may not be Vista itself; it may well be drivers. But it's still unacceptable, especially when you disable the extra visual effects and it still doesn't work right.
Do yourself a favor: turn Aero off and switch to Vista Basic, until someone corrects the problem.
I can't stress enough, though, that I think Aero is a real mess. I get all sorts of audio glitches, even just playing stereo audio from Windows Media Player, just resizing images. I tried installing NVIDIA's latest drivers for my 7600, and things actually seemed to get slightly worse. It's insane. GPU-native graphics have worked fine on far lesser Mac OS X machines for years, and even on Linux, for crying out loud.
In fact, to me what I've seen in the press and from Microsoft has to be technically wrong. If the graphics were running on the GPU, or if Aero really required "a fast graphics card," you wouldn't be seeing issues in CPU-native tasks like audio. It's clearly a CPU bottleneck, which means something is running CPU-bound and hogging the system. It may not be Vista itself; it may well be drivers. But it's still unacceptable, especially when you disable the extra visual effects and it still doesn't work right.
Do yourself a favor: turn Aero off and switch to Vista Basic, until someone corrects the problem.
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- KVRist
- 69 posts since 25 Jul, 2004
I will have to try out that Saffire Vista driver.
I have Vista on one of my laptops (HP DV8000 with 2G AMD processor (single core), 2G RAM) and going with the native soundcard. (I have an EMU 1616 and the Saffire, but I couldn't find drivers for them at the time I was trying this) Even with turning off Aero and stopping a number of services, I still get glitchy audio where it was smooth under XP. This is with most of my audio apps (Sonar, Project 5, Reason, Ableton Live). THe CPU meters do not indicate that it is stressed at all, however.
For me, if I have to turn off all of the Vista features and still can't get to the performance level I had under XP, then there is little point in adapting Vista. I will give it another shot with the Vista drivers for the Saffire, but I am doubtful that this will make a difference.
If it doesn't, I will likely migrate to the MAC for the future.
Mojo Chopper
I have Vista on one of my laptops (HP DV8000 with 2G AMD processor (single core), 2G RAM) and going with the native soundcard. (I have an EMU 1616 and the Saffire, but I couldn't find drivers for them at the time I was trying this) Even with turning off Aero and stopping a number of services, I still get glitchy audio where it was smooth under XP. This is with most of my audio apps (Sonar, Project 5, Reason, Ableton Live). THe CPU meters do not indicate that it is stressed at all, however.
For me, if I have to turn off all of the Vista features and still can't get to the performance level I had under XP, then there is little point in adapting Vista. I will give it another shot with the Vista drivers for the Saffire, but I am doubtful that this will make a difference.
If it doesn't, I will likely migrate to the MAC for the future.
Mojo Chopper
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- KVRer
- 2 posts since 25 Jan, 2005
DAW on vista x86
I have recently built a new dual core PC for vista, so far : -
Cubase 4 runs, as do most vsts I throw at it the exception being broomstick bass.
Performance is a pig however compared to XP but I expect that is due to my EMU 1820M not having vista drivers yet and having to use the old XP ones.
Ivory (which I just got) is virtually unplayable with current configaration. Shame because it looks like it might be just what I need for everyday practicing piano, oh well just use my korg triton onboard sound for playing till EMU pull their finger out.
Indexing is great tho, if you have lots of scores in PDF or sample it can find them so quickly, a definate bonus. once Drivers are updated I reckon Vista will be fine for audio production assuming you have a dual core processor and (at least) 2 GB of fast RAM.
I have recently built a new dual core PC for vista, so far : -
Cubase 4 runs, as do most vsts I throw at it the exception being broomstick bass.
Performance is a pig however compared to XP but I expect that is due to my EMU 1820M not having vista drivers yet and having to use the old XP ones.
Ivory (which I just got) is virtually unplayable with current configaration. Shame because it looks like it might be just what I need for everyday practicing piano, oh well just use my korg triton onboard sound for playing till EMU pull their finger out.
Indexing is great tho, if you have lots of scores in PDF or sample it can find them so quickly, a definate bonus. once Drivers are updated I reckon Vista will be fine for audio production assuming you have a dual core processor and (at least) 2 GB of fast RAM.