Which reverb can rival/test Waves trueverb??

[bduffy]

I thought the Pantheon was a disgrace; really honky and cheap-sounding.

[Marduchk]

i thought it was rather "White-boy" as well

[daverich]

Just like to wave a flag for Wavearts Masterverb.

I use that and the sonitus verb mostly - or indeed the Voxengo Pristine (Perfect) space plug that comes with sonar when I don't mind adding latency.

Kind regards

Dave Rich

[dusted william]

Wizoo Verb for me is the best I've ever tried.

I liked w5 more than w2, but I ended up trading it anyway for something else.

I never really liked using reverbs on anything until I tried out wizoo verb. It makes things sound so much better IMO.

The only rub is that it sounds different at 44.1, 48, and 96. So you have to either stay in 44.1 and never upsample to render -or- have yourself an differet IR to plug in when you are ready to upsample to render.

besides that I'm totally sold on Wizoo verb.

dw

[bduffy]

Wizoo Verb for me is the best I've ever tried.

I liked w5 more than w2, but I ended up trading it anyway for something else.

I never really liked using reverbs on anything until I tried out wizoo verb. It makes things sound so much better IMO.

The only rub is that it sounds different at 44.1, 48, and 96. So you have to either stay in 44.1 and never upsample to render -or- have yourself an differet IR to plug in when you are ready to upsample to render.

besides that I'm totally sold on Wizoo verb.

dw

You upsample to render?

[dusted william]

yes, sometimes I render out to a higher sample rate for a higher quality mix.

Wizoo does not do an internal re-sampling of it's IR to match the sample rate of the project, so if you change or render at a different rate, then wizoo verb will not follow sound the same. This is the downfall of the plug. I know of at least some other IR plugs that have the same problem so it's not alone.

You can test it out if you wish, but you have to make sure you use an preset with an IR.

dw

[bduffy]

yes, sometimes I render out to a higher sample rate for a higher quality mix.

Wizoo does not do an internal re-sampling of it's IR to match the sample rate of the project, so if you change or render at a different rate, then wizoo verb will not follow sound the same. This is the downfall of the plug. I know of at least some other IR plugs that have the same problem so it's not alone.

You can test it out if you wish, but you have to make sure you use an preset with an IR.

Yeah, I guess it can't/doesn't upsample the IR.

Huhn, I wouldn't think there'd be any advantage to upsampling at the output...never occured to me to do that.

[dusted william]

If you have reverberation tools you can put in the 96 version in place of the 44.1 version. That's why he has more than one sample rate for them.

sometimes it's a big difference, sometimes not. I can hear a difference and I don't have golden ears so it can't be all that bad

you can do this in XT(1) and live 5. Just choose your sample rate at render time and it upsamples the whole thing as if you've made your song in a higher sampler rate all along.

I've confirmed with Jorgen that this is the case, at least with xt(1). I'm sure it will/if not allready work in the xt2 beta.

dw

[bduffy]

If you have reverberation tools you can put in the 96 version in place of the 44.1 version. That's why he has more than one sample rate for them.

sometimes it's a big difference, sometimes not. I can hear a difference and I don't have golden ears so it can't be all that bad

you can do this in XT(1) and live 5. Just choose your sample rate at render time and it upsamples the whole thing as if you've made your song in a higher sampler rate all along.

I've confirmed with Jorgen that this is the case, at least with xt(1). I'm sure it will/if not allready work in the xt2 beta.

dw

Hmm...in Cubase, you work at a sample rate, and you can export at any samplerate you like, I just don't know if there's an advantage to it, sound-wise. I would just think that this would be recommended much more often if there was any use in it. But if, like Jorgen says, the host can actually resample everything at that point, then I guess it's a neat way to work at higher sample rates...

[dusted william]

The way I see it is this.

Companies like RGC put in an oversampling option in there synths, I can hear the difference when it's turned on.

If you change the sample rate in the host that is the same as changing the sample rate in the synth, I've also confirmed this with Rene, at least in the case of Pentagon.

So if you change the sample rate of the host, you "oversample" all your synths, EQ's, Reverbs and the like. Some take to it better than others though.

Do this test.

Render out a song at 192, then downsample it to 44.1 with R8 Brain or the free audiomove converter.

Do the same with a 44.1 version all the way through the chain.

I think you will hear the difference.

dw

[Shy]

What the heck are you talking about?

[bduffy]

I wonder if I could do that...the soundcard might want to be at 192k first...I'll give it a shot. I figured it was the bitrate that really mattered here, i.e. work and export at the highest possible, 24- or 32-bit.

[bduffy]

What the heck are you talking about?

Who - dusted william? Doesn't sound right to me, either.

[Shy]

Yes, dusted william. He seems to think downsampling from a higher sample rate achieves higher quality since it's as if the entire audio was somehow magically "oversampled".

[chagzuki]

I thought the Pantheon was a disgrace; really honky and cheap-sounding.

Yes. Below average.