Good Trance / House drum sample libraries ?
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- KVRian
- 1128 posts since 3 Aug, 2004
I don't agree at all. I think it has more to do with the fact that the records that were sampled for the kickse.persing wrote:Vengeance is all you need, perhaps the best dance library on the market
especially the bassdrums kicks ass!
and forget about zeroG, ueberschall or whatever... they have absolutely no Idea what dance music is, because they are no producers. Vengeance & Friends are behind the most important dance release in germany.
PS: Hihat on kicks are quite important, as long as it is part of the attacknoise.
it would sound like a crappy 909 or 808 drum, if its missing.
A) had hihats over all the kicks so you couldn't get the kicks without the hats
B) the sampler was to lazy to find parts of the tracks, say intro or outro WITHOUT the hats over the kicks
c)Nevermind
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- KVRAF
- 2356 posts since 30 Sep, 2003 from Sunny Staffordshire
I agree with that statement to an extent.
Dance libraries in general to suck imo! Iv yet to find a satisfying one that DOESNT rely on sampling sounds directly off records.
Vengeance libraries are far better than Ueberschall. Trance Essentials, House Essentials and Loop Essentials are not good products. Every sample is hot, most with some pretty nasty vinyl noise too. They are basically crate diggers CD's.
But I still say that you would be best off just sampling the kicks from the start of your favorite records. That what happens on all these sample CD's.
When I buy a sample CD these days, I want to buy into someone's work, someone's 'sound'.
TB
Dance libraries in general to suck imo! Iv yet to find a satisfying one that DOESNT rely on sampling sounds directly off records.
Vengeance libraries are far better than Ueberschall. Trance Essentials, House Essentials and Loop Essentials are not good products. Every sample is hot, most with some pretty nasty vinyl noise too. They are basically crate diggers CD's.
But I still say that you would be best off just sampling the kicks from the start of your favorite records. That what happens on all these sample CD's.
When I buy a sample CD these days, I want to buy into someone's work, someone's 'sound'.
TB
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- KVRian
- 553 posts since 24 Feb, 2005 from Prana
IMO Doru Malaia Superdrums 8000 is way better value for money than the Vengeance libraries (about 30 euros vs. 85 euros) and it has far more samples. The kicks are quite bad though; no clean, phat & deep ones.
Thomas Penton ED&P is quite good too, but it has a bit too many samples that have effects on them.
Thomas Penton ED&P is quite good too, but it has a bit too many samples that have effects on them.
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- KVRAF
- 1958 posts since 16 Jan, 2005 from France's Dirty South
The vengeance libs are ok to really good.
The Thomas Penton cd, is pretty cool.
But my all time fav is Best Service's Drum Overkill, lots of great sounding stuff, eclectic but quite a low ratio of fillers. Haven't used much else since i got it...
The Thomas Penton cd, is pretty cool.
But my all time fav is Best Service's Drum Overkill, lots of great sounding stuff, eclectic but quite a low ratio of fillers. Haven't used much else since i got it...
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- KVRAF
- Topic Starter
- 2685 posts since 14 Jul, 2005 from Australia
hey guys, thank you all for the help. disturb, is the Best Service CD sampled from commercial tracks like the Vengeance stuff is ?
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- KVRian
- 659 posts since 5 Jul, 2004
i don t like the vengeance,most sample dont have the quality of good produced record were most of the time they make their drum themself cause they are better enginners that the one who make these sample cd.
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- KVRAF
- 2356 posts since 30 Sep, 2003 from Sunny Staffordshire
To be fair, Manuel of Vengeance sound is at the top of his game. His tracks sound really good... the ones that Iv heard at least. I cant fault his work in that department.
And Im not sure that his method for kick drums is much different to anyone elses - most professional producers sample each others kicks! Tiz a fact of life when it comes to dance music.
My problem with the Vengeance kicks is that they are mostly based on the same few samples, just with differing use of EQ, compression and saturation. I kind of feel likes I could make similar sounds very quickly by just sampling and mixing a few kicks off my favorite records (where the kicks where originally made in such a way!).
In my own productions, I do use sampling as a sound source. But I tend to be very specific about what I sample. For instance, I might sample just an attack, which Id then crossfade into a sine kick. I might then EQ and compress this sound, and layer it with another. As time goes on, you just build up a vast library of new sounds.
Imo, this is quite different to taking whole sounds and simply EQing them to fit make a string of variations.
But getting back to the point...
You should really have a listen to some of Manuel's tracks. If you like that particular style, then I think you'll find his tracks to be a fine example.
TB
And Im not sure that his method for kick drums is much different to anyone elses - most professional producers sample each others kicks! Tiz a fact of life when it comes to dance music.
My problem with the Vengeance kicks is that they are mostly based on the same few samples, just with differing use of EQ, compression and saturation. I kind of feel likes I could make similar sounds very quickly by just sampling and mixing a few kicks off my favorite records (where the kicks where originally made in such a way!).
In my own productions, I do use sampling as a sound source. But I tend to be very specific about what I sample. For instance, I might sample just an attack, which Id then crossfade into a sine kick. I might then EQ and compress this sound, and layer it with another. As time goes on, you just build up a vast library of new sounds.
Imo, this is quite different to taking whole sounds and simply EQing them to fit make a string of variations.
But getting back to the point...
You should really have a listen to some of Manuel's tracks. If you like that particular style, then I think you'll find his tracks to be a fine example.
TB
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- KVRAF
- Topic Starter
- 2685 posts since 14 Jul, 2005 from Australia
I've actually had a chance to check out the Vengeance libraries at my friend's place and they are really damn good, especially the loops. The kick drums vary, some are good, some aren't but overall, there is a huge huge amount of useful stuff on them.
As soon as I get paid for a track I'm working on, I'll be buying both Club CDs
Now all I need to do is find an easy way to slice up the loops ... I really wish they were rex format
As soon as I get paid for a track I'm working on, I'll be buying both Club CDs
Now all I need to do is find an easy way to slice up the loops ... I really wish they were rex format