I have begun mixing down the djembe files mentioned in this thread. I have created two variations - one with light reverb on the overhead mic and one completely dry. Here are the samples:
4/4 Rhythm - No Reverb
4/4 Rhythm - Reverb
6/8 Rhythm - No Reverb
6/8 Rhythm - Reverb
Listen closely, the difference is fairly subtle until you notice it. If you have an opinion once you have listened, please give me feedback. Also, any other constructive criticism is always welcome.
Djembe Soundfont Poll
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- KVRist
- 68 posts since 1 Feb, 2007 from On the Shore
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- KVRist
- Topic Starter
- 68 posts since 1 Feb, 2007 from On the Shore
I've started slicing and dicing the samples - see my blog to follow along:
www.robntweber.wordpress.com
Some of these hits have almost 50 individual loudness samples. As a rule of thumb, how many velocity levels should I shoot for? That is, when is it overkill that no longer makes any difference? 6? 10? 20?
www.robntweber.wordpress.com
Some of these hits have almost 50 individual loudness samples. As a rule of thumb, how many velocity levels should I shoot for? That is, when is it overkill that no longer makes any difference? 6? 10? 20?
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- KVRian
- 650 posts since 7 Oct, 2006
well, I think 16-20 is minimum 
(well, with 16 it starts to get really useful ...)
the new ns_conga seems to have up to 55 velocity levels .... Also S.I.D., BFD and so on ...
Do you have left and right hand separately - you might also devide them into that and use alternation (though alternation is not really soundfont compatible me thinks). Of course not all articulations need the same amount of differentiation .....
the boring thing is when two consecutive hits sound the same - lots of velocity levels will avoid that because minimal changes in velocity causes different samples ......
best
(well, with 16 it starts to get really useful ...)the new ns_conga seems to have up to 55 velocity levels .... Also S.I.D., BFD and so on ...
Do you have left and right hand separately - you might also devide them into that and use alternation (though alternation is not really soundfont compatible me thinks). Of course not all articulations need the same amount of differentiation .....
the boring thing is when two consecutive hits sound the same - lots of velocity levels will avoid that because minimal changes in velocity causes different samples ......
best
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- KVRist
- Topic Starter
- 68 posts since 1 Feb, 2007 from On the Shore
Thanks - I do have seperate samples for the left and right hand - I am planning on putting them on different keys.
Good info on the NS Conga - that gives me a good baseline. I agree on the hits sounding all the same - BAD.
Once I get all of the samples seperated and ranked by loudness, then I'll have to address the problem of key mapping. I've started some discussion of it here, and will open more discussion on this forum in the near future.
Good info on the NS Conga - that gives me a good baseline. I agree on the hits sounding all the same - BAD.
Once I get all of the samples seperated and ranked by loudness, then I'll have to address the problem of key mapping. I've started some discussion of it here, and will open more discussion on this forum in the near future.
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- KVRist
- Topic Starter
- 68 posts since 1 Feb, 2007 from On the Shore
Well, I've finished slicing up and ranking all the samples. the next step is laying them out on the keyboard and, more importantly, figuring out how to set the velocity layering.
I've posted a new blog entry on the process with some ideas: Djembe Blog. Please take a moment to read what I've done and comment.
As always, thanks.
I've posted a new blog entry on the process with some ideas: Djembe Blog. Please take a moment to read what I've done and comment.
As always, thanks.
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- KVRAF
- 8519 posts since 7 Apr, 2003
raweber; nice blog and look forward to hearing the finished work. it's amazing how complicated sampling something gets. i bet you've learned alot about it too, but did you know there is a program to extract samples at silence points? it's free also, called waveknife. i'm not sure if it's as good quality or as specific to your manual 6 hours of editing but it's damned good for automatic slicing in my experience
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- KVRist
- Topic Starter
- 68 posts since 1 Feb, 2007 from On the Shore
Great - where in the world were you two weeks ago?!?
Seriously, this may make creating the other presets with various processing a reality. Plus, I learned a lot by splicing them manually this time.
My one concern about making it work is that there is some noise between the samples. I'll have to see if you can set the Waveknife threshold for silence. The other possiblity is that I've been thinking about adding a noise gate (like floorfish) at the end of my output insert to force the silence.
Thanks for the tip. I just downloaded the program...
Seriously, this may make creating the other presets with various processing a reality. Plus, I learned a lot by splicing them manually this time.
My one concern about making it work is that there is some noise between the samples. I'll have to see if you can set the Waveknife threshold for silence. The other possiblity is that I've been thinking about adding a noise gate (like floorfish) at the end of my output insert to force the silence.
Thanks for the tip. I just downloaded the program...