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Kingston · Post by **Kingston** » Mon Apr 02, 2007 4:24 pm

egbert wrote:So were you using no tape impulse at all with Tapebus or can you insert your own somehow?

no tape impulse at all. you can completely turn it off. It's in the back 'about'panel. As such the plugin turns into a bare pre + de-emphasis filter + saturator that with right settings (and especially at 96khz) behaves like a proper quarter inch would. I think it's a bloody awesome sounding plug. If you guys want I can upload the Otari 5050 mkII quarter inch matching presets that I'm constantly using these days in an emulated multi-track set up.

kmonkey wrote:Why what is wrong with internal impulses (only one idea is on my mind and that is that they are recorded at 44khz )...

I can only speak for the impulses by me (tape-A studer B-67), but the equipment used to capture them was far from optimal. I won't go into details as it's aleksey's plug and I'm not sure if I'm already saying far too much.

Killvehicle · Post by **Killvehicle** » Mon Apr 02, 2007 4:43 pm

[quote="Kingston If you guys want I can upload the Otari 5050 mkII quarter inch matching presets that I'm constantly using these days in an emulated multi-track set up.

[/quote]

Id be interested in those..

bduffy · Post by **bduffy** » Mon Apr 02, 2007 5:08 pm

Yeah, upload those presets, if you please!

I know you've often said how much you like TapeBus, and now this explains why I wasn't quite getting it: I didn't know you had to switch off the IR and use it at 96k!

I'm itchin' to try that out now!

Marduchk · Post by **Marduchk** » Mon Apr 02, 2007 5:11 pm

it seems completely weird to do that, but if the rest of the plugin is that hi qual (which i dont doubt from Voxengo) then thats really interesting!

bduffy · Post by **bduffy** » Mon Apr 02, 2007 5:16 pm

Weird to do what - disable the IR? Makes sense if it doesn't sound as good as the plugin's algorithm at high sampe rates.

Marduchk · Post by **Marduchk** » Mon Apr 02, 2007 5:24 pm

right.

Kingston · Post by **Kingston** » Mon Apr 02, 2007 5:28 pm

http://www.michaelkingston.fi/files/tapebus_otari.zip

the first one is the more accurate match, but I tend to use either one depending on context. The first one emulates a hard slammed otari saturation better, and the second one was more accurate on more subtle settings. In order to get good mileage out of them, don't hesitate with the 'rec level' so you can actually hear the distortion, as it should behave much like the Otari and you *do* want the crunch... at 96khz. (works decent at 44.1khz as well so no worries)

I originally wasn't actually too sure whether I had succeeded in the matching until in heavy mixdowns I started noticing the "forgiving" effect a tape has on the sound. Don't know if you folks are familiar with this phenomenon but tape tends to make mixing easier. It gives in the mistakes where you'd be struggling heavily with purely digital in-the-box sound. It's the distortion masking things of course, but take advantage of it. the beatles did. and the stones. and zep. you know the drill.

by the way the TapeBus IR is just the frequency response of a tape on top of the saturation. nothing else. A proper tape is pretty flat generally so you will not miss it. It's just a secondary effect.

bduffy · Post by **bduffy** » Mon Apr 02, 2007 5:35 pm

Kingston wrote:http://www.michaelkingston.fi/files/tapebus_otari.zip

the first one is the more accurate match, but I tend to use either one depending on context. The first one emulates a hard slammed otari saturation better, and the second one was more accurate on more subtle settings. In order to get good mileage out of them, don't hesitate with the 'rec level' so you can actually hear the distortion, as it should behave much like the Otari and you *do* want the crunch... at 96khz. (works decent at 44.1khz as well so no worries)

I originally wasn't actually too sure whether I had succeeded in the matching until in heavy mixdowns I started noticing the "forgiving" effect a tape has on the sound. Don't know if you folks are familiar with this phenomenon but tape tends to make mixing easier. It gives in the mistakes where you'd be struggling heavily with purely digital in-the-box sound. It's the distortion masking things of course, but take advantage of it. the beatles did. and the stones. and zep. you know the drill.

by the way the TapeBus IR is just the frequency response of a tape on top of the saturation. nothing else. A proper tape is pretty flat generally so you will not miss it. It's just a secondary effect.

Cool, thanks Kingston, for sharing the secrets of the Temple!

So would you use this mainly for drum busses, or are there other areas this would be appropriate on?

Kingston · Post by **Kingston** » Mon Apr 02, 2007 5:39 pm

"in an emulated multi-track set up". depending on the context, separately on bass, drums, vocals, the rest - and finally on the master bus. sort of the main point of the whole 96khz excursion in the first place, to get realistic multi-tracked tape sound.

won't work on low sample rates so don't even try. aliasing/digital mush hell.

bduffy · Post by **bduffy** » Mon Apr 02, 2007 5:43 pm

Kingston wrote:"in an emulated multi-track set up". depending on the context, separately on bass, drums, vocals, the rest - and finally on the master bus. sort of the main point of the whole 96khz excursion in the first place, to get realistic multi-tracked tape sound.

won't work on low sample rates so don't even try. aliasing/digital mush hell.

Right! I just checked out the presets in Wavelab; sounded fantastic on a drum submix.

I'm going to experiment with some stems right now...

EDIT: ...which will have to wait until I get home! Can't do anything higher than 48k here at work. I need to talk to the boss about upgrading...

bduffy · Post by **bduffy** » Mon Apr 02, 2007 6:04 pm

Er, sorry, Kingston: did you mean this effect will be OK at 44k or not?

Kingston · Post by **Kingston** » Mon Apr 02, 2007 6:09 pm

probably not. I've had some success in replacing snare/kick/guitar compressors with it, but in crucial spots it'll reveal its digital origins at 44.1khz. maybe your experience will be different with it?

bduffy · Post by **bduffy** » Mon Apr 02, 2007 6:11 pm

Kingston wrote:probably not. I've had some success in replacing snare/kick/guitar compressors with it, but in crucial spots it'll reveal its digital origins at 44.1khz. maybe your experience will be different with it?

Maybe it will! I'm trying it right now, because what the hell, eh?

If I may, one more thing; do I need to turn the IR off manually, or does the preset do it? Is the "Tape On" the tape IR?

Kingston · Post by **Kingston** » Mon Apr 02, 2007 6:16 pm

uhh I don't know. I've turned the IR completely off from the back 'about' panel, which completely disables the thing.

the reason it's there is because the IR - even if you're not using one from the selector - will generate a long latency. disabling it removes the latency. me and bmanic had to lobby in the feature for a good while but I'm really glad it's there now.

bduffy · Post by **bduffy** » Mon Apr 02, 2007 6:21 pm

Kingston wrote:uhh I don't know. I've turned the IR completely off from the back 'about' panel, which completely disables the thing.

the reason it's there is because the IR - even if you're not using one from the selector - will generate a long latency. disabling it removes the latency. me and bmanic had to lobby in the feature for a good while but I'm really glad it's there now.

Hmmm...so is this the on/off in question?

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