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whyterabbyt wrote: Is that the 'MiniAmp 800'? That's nearly there but I need an independent stereo pair per person. They do do a basic stereo heaphone amp at about half the price of that model, I could just get 4 of them I suppose.
I was actually talking about their dedicated headphone amps, such as this:
http://www.thomann.de/gb/behringer_ha47 ... aerker.htm
or this:
http://www.thomann.de/gb/behringer_ha80 ... oneamp.htm
The 4 channel one having the advance of a better stereo/aux-in mixing, the 8 channel one having the advance of 2 main stereo ins, but I actually found another one, a bit more simply but perhaps just what you need:
http://www.thomann.de/gb/millenium_hp_6.htm
6 stereo ins (ok, that's 2 too much, but you never know...), no further fuss.
8 outs, Im afraid; needs to be 4 stereo pairs.
Ok...
The Emu 1616 and the M-Audio 410 are fairly close in price, so either of those would do, I reckon. Pity there isnt something that was just firewire to ADAT I could use with a Behringer ADA8000 for the preamp/output stages.
Well, you would most likely run into higher costs with that Behringer and an ADAT/FW card.
Because, just recently, Alesis released this:
http://www.thomann.de/gb/alesis_io26.htm

8 mic ins, 8 analog outs, additional ADAT in. 438 Euro.
Actually, it's even got two headphone outs - no idea whether you could adress them separately from your host or the delivered direct mixing software.
I would use a dedciated HP amp though (especially given that they aren't all that expensive), so you have all the headphone levels in one central place.

Fwiw, when I think about it, the Alesis (along with whatever HP amp solution) should be almost perfect for your needs. Desktop/Laptop compatibility (something you'd need two cards for if using the EMU), enough I/Os and all that at really decent price.
The price actually is so decent that I'm wondering whether there's some serious drawbacks, such as sloppy drivers - but from a review of one of their other FW mixers I've read, their FW drivers seem to be fine. The hardware might not be too shiny either, and for mobile tasks I'd personally prefer it to be rack-style, but apart from that it seems to be a nice thing.

The good thing about Thomann (that's why I actually posted the links) is that they have a really, really nice money-back police. You just send the stuff back. Over here in germany they even give you a free back-shipping coupon, not sure about other parts of Europe.
But you could just order things and try them out.
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Well Ive found actually found a headphone amp that fits the bill, I think... its about £50 at Thomann, seems to support 4 independent stereo inputs, each to 2 headphone outs.

http://audioen.terratec.net/modules.php ... cle&sid=13

That Alesis definitely looks like an option, ta.
Ive bought a few things from Thomann, they've always had good pricing...


(btw, I wouldnt need two cards for the EMU, I dont think, just the cardbus version, and a PCI to PCMCIA adaptor)
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whyterabbyt wrote:Well Ive found actually found a headphone amp that fits the bill, I think... its about £50 at Thomann, seems to support 4 independent stereo inputs, each to 2 headphone outs.

http://audioen.terratec.net/modules.php ... cle&sid=13
Yeah, that should do the job as well.
(btw, I wouldnt need two cards for the EMU, I dont think, just the cardbus version, and a PCI to PCMCIA adaptor)
Did you try such an adaptor already? I'm asking because a friend of mine had some more or less unsolveable problems when using his Hammerfall PCMCIA along with an adaptor. Apparently another adaptor solved the problem, but there seem to be some differences between them.
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Sascha Franck wrote:
Did you try such an adaptor already? I'm asking because a friend of mine had some more or less unsolveable problems when using his Hammerfall PCMCIA along with an adaptor. Apparently another adaptor solved the problem, but there seem to be some differences between them.
No, I didnt; I aint decided what soundcard to run with yet. One good point to bear in mind, though.
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would be nice to hear some music from you, WR :)
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Sascha Franck wrote: Well, you would most likely run into higher costs with that Behringer and an ADAT/FW card.
Im now starting to think in terms of building a micro-atx format system rather than use my laptop. So PCI cards come back into play as options. Which puts something like this in place as a possible front-end...

http://www.turnkey.co.uk/web/productAct ... ontext=WEB
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whyterabbyt wrote: Im now starting to think in terms of building a micro-atx format system rather than use my laptop. So PCI cards come back into play as options. Which puts something like this in place as a possible front-end...

http://www.turnkey.co.uk/web/productAct ... ontext=WEB
Wow, that seems like a ridiculously good offer.
And, having worked with the Behringer converter already (recording some live stuff), I can say that for anything not requiring pristine studio quality (and reading your first post, you don't seem to need that) it's quite a well-working unit.
Add one of those HP amps and you're all set, I'd say.

Btw, are you going to have that PC rack-style, and if so, what are you going for? I *might* be interested in such a thing one day as well.
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Sascha Franck wrote: Btw, are you going to have that PC rack-style, and if so, what are you going for? I *might* be interested in such a thing one day as well.
No, not in a rack; a small shuttle-ish case (micro atx format). Relatively compact and luggable. Something like one of these:

http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showprodu ... =CA-059-AN

or

http://www.dabs.com/productview.aspx?Quicklinx=45G2

or

http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showprodu ... =CA-052-TT
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Mackie ONYX Satellite (Firewire)

£159 now in the UK & the DA & pre amps are to die for!!

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Thanks whyterabbyt. Personally, I'd actually prefer a rack-based solution, so I could put pre- and HP-amps into it as well.
I've just seen a DJ with a rather nice rack setup. It's been some L-rack thingy, the monitor has been in the upper lid and the keyboard was just placed under it. Almost perfect for what I'd like to do with such a thing.
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eek
perhaps not at those prices...

/ me research fully in future...
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