KVR Audio

where02190 · Post by **where02190** » Thu Apr 19, 2007 5:22 pm

The Behringers are typical Behringer product, cheap POS. We tested out several pairs to find that out of 9 pairs, no 2 were even remotely matched in response. I would recommend staying away from them.

BertKoor · Post by **BertKoor** » Thu Apr 19, 2007 9:44 pm

@ Where02190 : I think your standards are set quite a bit higher than what the average bargain-hunting KVR newbie is looking for: something that'll do until the serious cash is saved.

Whatever is discussed here, as soon as the B-name is dropped your kind people have tested several and found unacceptable flaws.

It surprises me that you (in plural form) still take the effort to test the "B" P.O.S. and even several items of the same type! Do you work for a shop or a distributor or something?

Now it starts to sound like you're on a personal crusade to damage their reputation. I'm not particulary fond of Behringer also, but at least I can see that for some people in some circumstances the cheap bottom stuff is sufficient. A lot of bang for just a few bucks... You can always get better quality, but that will often cost twice as much.

kritikon · Post by **kritikon** » Fri Apr 20, 2007 6:48 am

I have to agree with Bert there. Behringer gear is not necessarily "cheap POS"...it is usually just cheap. Any other cheap brand is also going to be a POS compared to a Genelec (for example). Of course most gear that is bargain basement is not going to stand up to the expensive gear, and only a complete idiot should expect it to. People need to get away from comparing Behringer to stuff double and triple the price...it's just not reasonable or fair. I too wouldn't choose much of the Behringer range...my personal tastes are also a bit more expensive, but I won't dis Behringer just because it's cheap. For the price I can see why many would choose it. it just goes wrong when you use Behringer in the same breath as fancy specialist and much more expensive gear.

As already mentioned...for a couple of hundred, the Truths are really not bad at all. Of course you will get better sound on a 500 quid pair. You can spend as much as you want on speakers up to silly money. The guy said he can only spend a couple of hundred, so no point telling him about esoteric stuff he can only salivate about.

Although another suggestion is to maybe check out Tannoy. I was shopping around for HiFi speakers recently (ended up buying a pair of Jamo606s on sale for $1300 - a very good price for NZ) but I was considering getting a set of nearfields plus a sub instead (just because it was seeming that choice was going to be very limited). And JRR shop were selling Tannoy Reveal6s for (I think) under 200 quid a pair (although I could be hopelessly wrong, and it might have been per monitor, not pair...

). Anyway...I was surprised at how reasonable some of the smaller Tannoys have now become. The Reveal 5s (passive) were nearer to a hundred (come to think...at that price they must be per monitor).

I've got a pair of System 6s from several years ago, and still like them, although they're a tad bright and scratchy if I'm brutally honest. You really have to have a room set up very well indeed to not have to learn to compensate for them. But the flip side of the brightness is the staggering amount of detail you get above 2KHz or so. Stuff you often don't hear even when you play on a good set of HiFi speakers...I find myself tweaking and tweaking and tweakin because I hear the higher stuff in such excruciating detail, that other people simply don't hear on other speakers when I play it to them.
So check out a local Tannoy dealer...you might be surprised what you can get?

kritikon · Post by **kritikon** » Fri Apr 20, 2007 7:08 am

OK...I got it horribly wrong. For a start, the Reveal6s are the passives and cost US$200 per monitor. And the actives are $350.
But whereabouts are you based? I suspect you might get them cheaper if you're in the UK, as Tannoy are based there. Sorry...they might be a bit over the price range you were after.

mao · Post by **mao** » Fri Apr 20, 2007 7:49 am

Take a look to the SAMSON RESOLV 65A. (active)

Great Monitors, low price. If you want there's a sub to add (120A).

These monitor are "flat" and crystal clear, very good for mixing. The sub does the work without booming.

Really a surprise.

bye.

bluelife · Post by **bluelife** » Fri Apr 20, 2007 8:27 am

I sold my JBL 4311Bs because they were too big for my new studio room.
After doing a lot of research I chose the Yamaha HS80M which came a couple of days ago.
I read a lot of reviews about different speakers and went to a shop to listen to my own songs which I know well.
The price is €498 for a pair, maybe that is in your price range.
I can recommend them, they also have some good possibilties for cutting certain frequency areas according to your rooms acoustics.
The HS50Ms are also available, but I prefer 8" bass speakers.
IMO, the HS80s sound better than the KRKs at that price.

I have also heard some good things about the Tapco S8s, but never heard them.
good luck

richard

where02190 · Post by **where02190** » Fri Apr 20, 2007 3:26 pm

For cheap and tolerable I'd recommend the KRK Rockit series.

dickiefunk · Post by **dickiefunk** » Fri Apr 20, 2007 3:56 pm

If you're interested in the Behringers then I'd consider the B2030's over the B2031's. People I know that have used them say they are flatter and more accurate than the B2031's.
I used to own a pair of Alesis M1mk2 actives which were also pretty good for the price. Another set of monitors worth considering are the Tascam VL-X5. These are much smaller than the other monitors listed but I know a lot of people who prefer these over anything under £300!

BertKoor · Post by **BertKoor** » Fri Apr 20, 2007 3:57 pm

belmiro wrote:Can u suggest alternatives in the 200 UK Pound price range?

where02190 wrote:For cheap and tolerable I'd recommend the KRK Rockit series.

E.g. the Rokit RP6 go for a bit less than £300 per pair: http://www.dolphinmusic.co.uk/page/shop ... t_id/10401

E.g. the old Alesis M1's (supposedly better sounding than the new generation's 520/620) are closer to the suggested budget:
http://www.dolphinmusic.co.uk/page/shop ... ct_id/2626

Anyway, go out and demo everything suggested so far. You'll have to listen to judge weather the extra money is worth it to you...

djverne · Post by **djverne** » Fri Apr 20, 2007 11:49 pm

Wharfedale Diamond is all about the 9.1 model. You can find it on ebay for under $300 (sellers in france)I bought a pair for my mother this Xmas. Let me say it holds its own against the PMC's I had, it a great little speaker that is worth the buy even if you are powering it with some cheap $200 dollar reciever its great to mix on and the soundstage rivals speakers in the $3000 range. Wharfedale passive speakers are Manufactured in China, hense the low price. I don't know how the 8.2 sounds but if it is like its bigger passive brother version, than it will sh#@%t all over Berringer, Maudio, Genelic, Fostex, ect.. Wharfedale Diamond may offer something these other budget monitors don't have and that is a flat frequency response PLUS A HUGE SOUNDSTAGE.

belmiro · Post by **belmiro** » Sat Apr 21, 2007 10:29 am

Hey you guys,

Thanks for all the advice.

I am going to test the Wharfedales and some KRK's and Samson Resolv today.

All have good reviews and I think I will leave the truths...they might be just a bt too budget for what I want.

dundel · Post by **dundel** » Sat Apr 21, 2007 11:06 am

I am not angainst behringer but i had 3 pairs of truths and every time they had a problem with tweeter. Sound was good , bass was well defined highs was little bit harsh , but overall they were ok beside that problem with tweeters.

spa · Post by **spa** » Sat Apr 21, 2007 2:18 pm

I listened to several different monitors at Guitar Center and truthfully was not impressed with any of them (even the high end models) -- probably because the 'nearfield' speakers were 6-10 feet across from each other, the accoustics were poor, and the music they had was not the music I was familiar with. So I walked away with more questions than answers. Bring your own CD to listen to.

Being on a budget and a newbie, I chose Wharfedale 8.2a pros based on the very positive reviews (e,g, TweakHeadz' comments and forum, among others) and have never regretted it. [I wll add, though, that I later bought a subwoofer -- it subtly fills out the low end, to my ears -- although most will tell you that a sub can cause problems with your mixes.]

Alan · Post by **Alan** » Sat Apr 21, 2007 7:04 pm

belmiro wrote:I am looking for something with a relatively flat response but I am a realist and know that at this price range its going to be virtually impossible.

The Tascam VLX-5's(same price) will get you a lot closer to a realistic response than either of the 2 you mentioned. Hell, I'd even take the KRK RP-5's over those 2 for the crossover alone.

belmiro · Post by **belmiro** » Mon Apr 23, 2007 10:19 am

Well, I bought the Tascam VL-X5s in the end.

They were amazing sounding very flat and neutral...they were miles better than anything I listened too.

Including the wharfedale 8.2 diamonds, the truth B2031a and the KRK's.

Funny to see Alan's comment this morning....coz I bought them on Saturday before reading his comments this morning.

Just listening to them they were so much better than anythig else...crystal clear in fact!

I also did some checking after the fact to see if I had made a big mistake and didn't find any negative comments whilst googling.

For my perspective, they sound like proper monitors and not hi fi speakers and for 130 pounds are amazing value and I think will allow me to improve my mixes greatly.

I guess if anyone reading this on a budget is looking for something for their home setup you should definetly audition these as well as the usual suspects.

Thanks to everyone for the input though.

Behringer B2031A Truth Vs Wharfedale Diamond 8.2 Active