Ultimate Best Reverb presently

[duncanparsons]

That's a fantastic link sascha - thx v much!

DSP

[The Chase]

- It is extremely difficult to get the sound you want, mostly trial and error

Almost always a sign of needing more practice with it mate. Rayspace is, erm, different but it becomes very effective when learned well.

Personally I think pristine space is the best sounding verb, but I've only used 6 or 7 from that list. As far as a workhorse reverb goes, I really always come back to the built-in fruity one

[fgimian]

- It is extremely difficult to get the sound you want, mostly trial and error

Almost always a sign of needing more practice with it mate. Rayspace is, erm, different but it becomes very effective when learned well.

Personally I think pristine space is the best sounding verb, but I've only used 6 or 7 from that list. As far as a workhorse reverb goes, I really always come back to the built-in fruity one

Yeah true, Rayspace is certainly more complex than others.

I use PS Light, and after much playing around with AA verb, I must say that even with all the echochamber IRs, PS Light / Convolution can't touch AA

I'm gonna buy AA in the next week!

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[headquest]

Personally I think pristine space is the best sounding verb, but I've only used 6 or 7 from that list.

I use "Perfect Space", which is basically a Cakewalk skinned version of Pristine Space, with added 64-bit processing and around 300 new impulses. I would agree that it is superb.

And personally I much prefer it to AA, although of course AA does not have the latency that is associated with convolution. As a general rule I think there is a place for both, and would recommend anyone to have at least one convolution and one non-convolution verb in their toolkit.

As far as a workhorse reverb goes, I really always come back to the built-in fruity one

well that is of course based on the Sonitus one, which is also my go-to reverb for general mixing.

[bduffy]

It's come up here before, and is actually a pretty commonly-held feeling, I think, especially if I talk to studio guys. I'd have to defer to someone more technically proficient than I to explain why that is. AFAIK, it's got a lot to do with the compromises you have to make in the DSP algorithms so they don't take all of your CPU power away and still have something left for, you know, mixing.

I'm not sure how that explains the best reverb being made in, like, 1981, but I'm sure someone can.

It's simply not about DSP power, it's about research, the right people in the right place and - very common with reverb - trade secrets.
Reverberation is a field where people starting out get access to quite a bunch of literature on reverberation in general and a few basic algos in particular. But there's rare to none available if it comes to more sophisticated stuff.
If you then look at brands like Lexicon, Ensoniq, Quantec etc., you'll notice that the guys in the background (for instance Griesinger & Dattoro) weren't just doing research for a long time, they were literally pioneers on their field. Besides their sheer knowledge & skills, they are half a man's lifetime ahead... You may visit this page [http://world.std.com/~griesngr/] and simply bow down...

Awesome! Now that's the explanation I was looking for.

[dutch_schulz]

Thank you, Sasha and bduffy! (And, Sasha, thanks for the great digitalfishphones plugins!)

The only thing that still remains unclear is - why would a software X sound worser than a hardware X with (presumably) the same algorythms? Could it be just marketing?

[Chris Walton]

I don't have it standalone but the reverb in Nexus (which is ArtsAcoustic) is absolutely superb!

[bduffy]

Thank you, Sasha and bduffy! (And, Sasha, thanks for the great digitalfishphones plugins!)

The only thing that still remains unclear is - why would a software X sound worser than a hardware X with (presumably) the same algorythms? Could it be just marketing?

Sorry: which hardware and software reverbs have the same algorithms?

The Nexus uses the AAR? Good move!

[defjamm]

Thank you, Sasha and bduffy! (And, Sasha, thanks for the great digitalfishphones plugins!)

The only thing that still remains unclear is - why would a software X sound worser than a hardware X with (presumably) the same algorythms? Could it be just marketing?

Sorry: which hardware and software reverbs have the same algorithms?

eventide / princeton digital and the tc powercore reverbs (from their bigger machines).

@dutch_schulz: converters can change the sound.

[tongsong]

perfect space of cakewalk

[hibidy]

But ArtsAcoustic defaults to 100% too...

There is a wonderful feature in AA if you are a preset tweaker. In the options, you can make it ignore the Wet / Dry knob when changing presets, which means...

1) Set your Dry / Wet control as you like
2) Click on any preset and you'll hear it with the same Dry / Wet mix

Very intelligent feature indeed

yes, I was just going to mention this... very nice for previewing

Yep. Should be standard issue on all reverbs...or maybe all "send"-type effects?

I'm starting to get interested in this verb.........that is a really serious feature. My NOMAD 2080 has some absolutly beautiful sounds......er, but unless it's on an aux/bus.......it's too hard to preview (which I am guessing is the case on many?)

[hibidy]

Personally I think pristine space is the best sounding verb, but I've only used 6 or 7 from that list.

I use "Perfect Space", which is basically a Cakewalk skinned version of Pristine Space, with added 64-bit processing and around 300 new impulses. I would agree that it is superb.

And personally I much prefer it to AA, although of course AA does not have the latency that is associated with convolution. As a general rule I think there is a place for both, and would recommend anyone to have at least one convolution and one non-convolution verb in their toolkit.

As far as a workhorse reverb goes, I really always come back to the built-in fruity one

well that is of course based on the Sonitus one, which is also my go-to reverb for general mixing.

The sonitus verb is a "real" and "bonified" classic. If I wasn't doing 90% mac, it's "the one" very good on the cpu and if you have sonar (back to 3) you will have access to the dll. as vst

I LOVE the fruity verbs! er, I don't like fruity much anymore (never really did......too funky with mouse movement audioclicks, support, etc) I'd love to have access to those verbs separate!

[diego]

Altiverb is the best reverb.

[sounddesigner]

I think it's safe to say Arts Acoustic is the winner. It was a real dog fight between it and CSR. Both where greater then 'Other' wich says alot because other is many rolled into one name.

[Shy]

Not safe at all I'd say . Although the AA reverb is clearly the winner in this choice poll, I much prefer RaySpace over all the choices except "other". I've gotten much better, natural sounding results with it. It's a truly interesting and powerful sound design tool. Their ray reflection approach is unique, the sound is very rich and the possibilities are remarkable. It's true that it's much harder to program, but that doesn't concern me at all since I'm a masochist when it comes to tweaking sound of either synths or effects to my liking.