KVR Audio

Kye · Post by **Kye** » Thu Apr 26, 2007 12:24 pm

ive tried and tried many times to get this kind of snare.. layering 808 snares etc with other snares, compressing, slamming into limiters etc.. but jus cant get it as beefy and hard as the proffesionals do in breaks and new electro tracks

mine jus seem to come out all weak and puffy.

has anyone got any samples of good snares like this, or even if you could tell me of tracks which have their beats dry in the intro or something??

i suppose i need to get a snare sample and either steal it or anaylise it to see where ive gone wrong

cheers!

Rusty Shackleford · Post by **Rusty Shackleford** » Thu Apr 26, 2007 12:31 pm

808 snares are pretty wimpy! Try layering a 909 type snare with an acoustic snare sample. I love slamming a snare through the 1176LN on my uad-1 to add some energy and blending that with the dry signal as well.

Kye · Post by **Kye** » Thu Apr 26, 2007 1:40 pm

yea sorry, i meant 909 snare lol...
has anyone got any good samples i can analyse against?

is that some kind of compressor/limiter?

ive tried all this lol, but just cant get it to sound like the proffessionals,
should i be thinking about stereo imaging, or is it best to leave it well in mono?

Cryogenic · Post by **Cryogenic** » Thu Apr 26, 2007 2:01 pm

How about an audio sample.

Kye · Post by **Kye** » Thu Apr 26, 2007 3:03 pm

lol finding it really hard to find a good audio sample now, thought it was on all breaks tracks
http://mp3.juno.co.uk/MP3/SF263843-01-01-01.mp3

thats sorta an example, but u know the wacking electro snare alot of tunes have, ill try posting summin else when i get home hehe

anti--hero · Post by **anti--hero** » Thu Apr 26, 2007 6:02 pm

its just your bog standard 909 snare and the god damn clap...try boosting the snare at 150-200 HZ coupla DBs..thats the beef...compress them both till the cows come home...you havent mentioned if you have experimented with EQ settings or enhancers, one thing might be usefull is the Flux transient thingy, you might be able to get more snap, if tht fails play around with 5-15khz settings...thats the snap..and combine with the clap...thats the...well the god damn clap...

Rusty Shackleford · Post by **Rusty Shackleford** » Thu Apr 26, 2007 8:20 pm

the 1176LN is a recreation of the Urei 1176 Limiting Amplifier, a vintage compressor that's heard on lots of classic rock tracks but that I like using for electronic production too. If you slam it really hard it really adds a distinctive sort of vibe via the harmonic distortion it produces. I'd keep the snare more or less dead center for dancefloor tracks.

But yeah, what anti-hero said is pretty good advice... layering sounds lets you make drums bigger.

zircon · Post by **zircon** » Fri Apr 27, 2007 1:03 am

That doesn't sound anything like a 909 snare or clap. Also compression is not going to give you those effects. You want vinyl snares, preferably played with brushes hit in the center of the snare. "Sloppy" snares/claps. e-LAB products have a lot of these. Repitching the snare/clap to be closer to the kick in pitch is another key effect. EQ to boost the mid-low is important too. That kind of kick is fairly hard to design, it's a balance of compression, distortion, and layering... I have two breakbeat/big beat albums and this is my "holy grail" sound more or less so I've been at it for years and it's not easy to achieve.

tee boy · Post by **tee boy** » Fri Apr 27, 2007 5:15 pm

Hold on for a few hours and I'll post you up a few samples if you like. Be interested to hear your thoughts.

TB

Vonbrucken · Post by **Vonbrucken** » Fri Apr 27, 2007 5:22 pm

good idea !! lookinf for them too tee boy , i think i had a sample pack from you but i am not sure !

Kye · Post by **Kye** » Sat Apr 28, 2007 1:44 pm

nice1! looking forward to it..
would be good to see how youve made them

cheers!!

XLN Audio · Post by **XLN Audio** » Sat Apr 28, 2007 2:03 pm

Kye wrote:lol finding it really hard to find a good audio sample now, thought it was on all breaks tracks
http://mp3.juno.co.uk/MP3/SF263843-01-01-01.mp3

thats sorta an example, but u know the wacking electro snare alot of tunes have, ill try posting summin else when i get home hehe

In the example there is a kick at the same time.. so tricky to hear exacly how the snare would sound omn its own. Sounds like a clap and a snare, sounds disco-ish, quite thin and short (and more clap than snare). Go thru old disco records and see what you can find

Madness · Post by **Madness** » Thu May 03, 2007 1:35 am

I would say at least 3 layers is a good place to start.....that MP3 is a cheesy joke of a snare and has more impact mostly due to the mixing, eq, of the track.

Try a short woodblock sample to add some attach...try a clap with the attack removed to give some noise to the tail and form the body of your sound. Layer with other Claps or Snares depending on the sound you would like to form the Body of your Attack stage of your snare which will be the prominant sound you will hear!!

nu skool electro/breaks style beefy snares