help connecting my mixer

[Sascha Franck]

Any plugin creates latency. Some are better than others, but it is impossible for a plugin not to introduce latency, as it takes time, while extremely short, for the plugin to process, which is what creates the latency. Anyone with the smallest clue about digital audio learns this on day one.

Prove it. Otherwise you better shut up. There's zero latency plugins. Zero as in mathematical zero. The buffer sizes introduced by the audio card are large enough for them to process whatever they have to process. This can even be proven by a nulling test (you do know what a nulling test is, don't you?).
So, come up with some prove and we might be back into a sensible discussion. Otherwise you're just starting to look like a troll. It's all up to you (and btw, I can easily prove what I am saying, so there's a lot of chances you're just deadly wrong).

And regarding your last sentence (the one with "ignorant f**k" in it): How comes you are trying your best to make an absolute idiot out of yourself? I mean, really, I can prove what I'm saying, whereas you will defenitely fail to prove what you're claiming. Not too clever, really.

[jupiter8]

Any plugin creates latency. Some are better than others, but it is impossible for a plugin not to introduce latency, as it takes time, while extremely short, for the plugin to process, which is what creates the latency. Anyone with the smallest clue about digital audio learns this on day one.

So up your ass, you ignorant f**k. educate yourself before you shit out of it again or shut the f**k up.

Wrong again my friend. I'm sure you're a talented engineer,producer whathaveyou but you still lack even the basic understanding of how a modern host works. No shame in that. Even Roger Nichols made a complete ass of himself in SOS. But at least have the decency to admit that you're out of your depth. You have no clue what you're talking about.

And as always you have nothing to back up your statements. Before it was either: famous people says so or i says so therefore it is true. Now it is just insults. Give it up man,no shame in that.You really really have no clue abput these things. Just trust me on that one or continue to make an ass out of your self. Your coice. I don't care.

Not true. I actually enjoy seeing you digging the hole deeper and deeper. How low can you go ?

[jackson]

Any plugin creates latency. Some are better than others, but it is impossible for a plugin not to introduce latency, as it takes time, while extremely short, for the plugin to process, which is what creates the latency. Anyone with the smallest clue about digital audio learns this on day one.

So up your ass, you ignorant f**k. educate yourself before you shit out of it again or shut the f**k up.

Yikes Sometimes I wish people would get their facts straight before saying shit like this. Other times I have to simply admire (where admire=me taking great enjoyment in their ignorance) their blind faith in thier belief.

Hmm, you'd didn't happen to vote for Bush, did you?

[The Chase]

Any plugin creates latency. Some are better than others, but it is impossible for a plugin not to introduce latency, as it takes time, while extremely short, for the plugin to process, which is what creates the latency. Anyone with the smallest clue about digital audio learns this on day one.

So up your ass, you ignorant f**k. educate yourself before you shit out of it again or shut the f**k up.

Even if you weren't utterly wrong you would still be a total bell-end.

The fact that you are wrong, coupled with the super awesome "Anyone with the smallest clue about digital audio learns this on day one" just tickles me all over.

[where02190]

Thankfully I am completely right. No process happens instantiously, it is mathematically impossible.

[The Chase]

Thankfully I am completely right. No process happens instantiously, it is mathematically impossible.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buffer_%28 ... science%29

[Sascha Franck]

Thankfully I am completely right. No process happens instantiously, it is mathematically impossible.

That's why there is a soundcard driver buffer of a certain size.
Are you really having the guts to still try and defend the bullshit you've posted? That's truly ridiculous. I mean, you try to be a knowledgeable sound dude - as such you should *really* get your facts straight first, especially since you even started insulting me, based on completely wrong "facts".

Apart from all that, why didn't you just make that experiment yourself? Record and realtime bounce two tracks panned L/R simultaneously. Use the same material for both tracks. Add a shitload of EQs (most of them don't add any further latency, look up what the specs say) to one of the tracks. Compare the bounced results L/R sides.
Alternatively you can switch of latency compensation in your host of choice (assuming it allows for such manoeuvers), in that case you don't need to record.
Then come back and tell us about your findings, but don't forget to mention the EQ you've used.
In my case, I'd be using Logics channel EQ, which is latency-free, but you may use whatever you like.

And fwiw, yes, there are plugins creating addiotional latencies. Usually such with a lookahead parameter (useful for dynamic plugins, especially limiters) or those that just don't manage to do all their processing during (low) host buffer sizes, so the developer added a (fixed, so it can be reported to the host) additional internal buffer.
But you were talking about *all* plugins. And that's just utter nonsense.

Some people, really...

[where02190]

Bouncing tracks and comparing for latency is idiotic. Assuming the eq's are flat, there will be no difference. Latency is a time lapse, the bounced mixes will sound exactly the same.

Need a hand with that foot in your mouth?

Ignorance is lazyness, education is key. Educate yourself on the basics of how digital recoridng works.

[Kingston]

I finally understand how you completely missed all the reasoning and common sense back when you were up in arms defending the myth of NS10.

Gearslutz and the 'ABC of mixing by Roger Nichols for the conservative American audio engineer'.. "The unbreakable rules of audio."

always funny to see people reciting those as the holy truth.

[Colonel Flashback]

Bouncing tracks and comparing for latency is idiotic. Assuming the eq's are flat, there will be no difference. Latency is a time lapse, the bounced mixes will sound exactly the same.

Need a hand with that foot in your mouth?

Ignorance is lazyness, education is key. Educate yourself on the basics of how digital recoridng works.

[Sascha Franck]

Bouncing tracks and comparing for latency is idiotic. Assuming the eq's are flat, there will be no difference. Latency is a time lapse, the bounced mixes will sound exactly the same.

Wtf??? So, a flat EQ will add less latency than a one that isn't?

Need a hand with that foot in your mouth?

Ignorance is lazyness, education is key. Educate yourself on the basics of how digital recoridng works.

I hardly ever say something like that, but: You, sir, are an asshole. And not only that, you are an idiot as well. And as if that wasn't enough already, you are a dumb idiot. A very dumb one even.

Unlike you, I can easily deliver prove for what I was saying. You, on the other hand, could as well just do a test for yourself (and fwiw, even if the EQ wasn't flat, it'd still be easy to detect any additional latency, just that you are too much of a f**king dumb idiot to even start a test).
Then, you are making up "facts" that can easily be sorted out as myths by a 5year old.
What is it that's wrong with you?

And ffs, yes, I AM MAJORLY PISSED OFF by your behaviour! You dumb freak keep insulting me even if there's freaking PROVE that you're absolutely wrong? What's up with that???

Fortunately, there's some other sane people in this thread - but uhm, I see, following your twisted logic none of them seems to know anything about the basics of digital recording either...

Guess I'm done with you, asshole!

[where02190]

The eq causes latency, it matters not whether it's flat or not. However the same track, bounced with an eq plugin set to flat, will sound exactly the same as the same track with no eq plugin. This test has no relation to latency, showing that you truly are ignorant of what latency is.

The NS-10 is no myth they are found still in every major studio in the world. Ignorance is no excuse for stupidity, only laziness is.

[jackson]

The eq causes latency, it matters not whether it's flat or not. However the same track, bounced with an eq plugin set to flat, will sound exactly the same as the same track with no eq plugin. This test has no relation to latency, showing that you truly are ignorant of what latency is.

And it goes on...

[jupiter8]

The eq causes latency, it matters not whether it's flat or not. However the same track, bounced with an eq plugin set to flat, will sound exactly the same as the same track with no eq plugin. This test has no relation to latency, showing that you truly are ignorant of what latency is.
Ignorance is no excuse for stupidity, only laziness is.

That's not what he said. Take the exact same track. Make a copy of it to another track. Add eqs on one track 'til the cows come home. And suddendly you feel very very stupid when you realize the track with all the eqs on is exactly in sync with the one without.

[Sascha Franck]

The eq causes latency, it matters not whether it's flat or not. However the same track, bounced with an eq plugin set to flat, will sound exactly the same as the same track with no eq plugin. This test has no relation to latency, showing that you truly are ignorant of what latency is.

Not only are you spreading bullshit, not even do you come across as an unfriendly, arrogant asshole, no, you can't even read, as it seems. Astonishing - to say the least - how you made it to all your credits.
Fwiw, jupiter8 already described the procedure that you seemed to have missed.
And fwiw #2: No, "the" EQ doesn't cause latency. There's some that do and others that don't. But of course you are too much of an arrogant snob to even bother testing such simple things for yourself.

And fwiw #3, this:

Ignorance is no excuse for stupidity, only laziness is.

coming from you has got to be the quote of the month.
I mean, who is it being too lazy to perform such a simple test as described? Defenitely not me.