KVR Audio

zeoy · Post by **zeoy** » Sun May 13, 2007 12:56 pm

So far 3 (Andrew, me, Sascha) like it and 3 (Mutant, lordnielson, Niksounds) don't. 50-50 then

asseca · Post by **asseca** » Sun May 13, 2007 4:57 pm

Rangtangtang wrote:They should have GUI's. The JM something has been done by someone out there.

Nothing beats a good old boss pedal.

see http://asseca.com/wiki/MGUI/GuitarSuite

stag · Post by **stag** » Sun May 13, 2007 6:21 pm

asseca wrote:
Rangtangtang wrote:They should have GUI's. The JM something has been done by someone out there.

Nothing beats a good old boss pedal.
see http://asseca.com/wiki/MGUI/GuitarSuite

Much obliged.
I found a problem with GUI-less plugs, besides looks. Automation when done with MIDI controllers doesn't show the parameters movingo on the GUI, at least with GS on my rig.

spuddle · Post by **spuddle** » Sun May 13, 2007 8:44 pm

Could people state why they don't like it instead of the moronic '+1', people may learn a bit more or even have the opportunity to provide a counter-argument and audio samples for evidence.

Just trying to encourage constructive debate..

lordnielson · Post by **lordnielson** » Sun May 13, 2007 9:00 pm

It sounded "not real" to me. Other ampsims have impressed me more

Synesthesiac · Post by **Synesthesiac** » Sun May 13, 2007 10:39 pm

quick impression, sounds pretty dang good for leads and little muddy/loose for gainful chords and chugs. does not threaten king revalver in any way.

All this disagreement(not just this thread) proves to me is that sims have atained a level of quality whereby the only criticism is that afforded by peoples differing tastes...just like real hardware where you can find fenderphiles, boogiebutts and marshallballs are locked in battle while dumblefoots smoothly snicker all superiorallylike.

AndrewSimon · Post by **AndrewSimon** » Mon May 14, 2007 12:37 am

I think for a "free demo teaser" (well almost free) it's excellent.
Remember it's just 1 channel of 1 pre amp with a set cab and mic.
I am sure in the commercial version they will have all 3 channels and all the other options and it will probably be very good.
I own almost every commercial ampsim plug out there yet I find my self using the free, 5 year old, Simulanalog plugs quite often.

But let's wait for the full commercial version and then we will judge.

The fact that this new sim takes stereo input shows they will have some stereo pedals that you can set up in stereo configuration.
Should be interesting.

jens · Post by **jens** » Mon May 14, 2007 1:21 am

Sascha Franck wrote:Fhm, shall I feel bad getting it from him? I mean, he's not even remotely interested in guitarbased plugins.

serious question? Ever been to a flea market?

the magazine versions (KEYS or Keyboards - can't remember) of Samplitude SE and Lounge Lizard had an explicit license granting the installation on one single machine - everything which doesn't have such a license can be installed by anyone who's got the CD of the magazine in his hands.

Man kann's echt auch übertreiben - aber vielleicht hast Du ja tatsächlich nur gescherzt...

Niksounds · Post by **Niksounds** » Mon May 14, 2007 5:52 am

spuddle wrote:Could people state why they don't like it instead of the moronic '+1', people may learn a bit more or even have the opportunity to provide a counter-argument and audio samples for evidence.

Just trying to encourage constructive debate..

ok
no problem
For me imho

the sounds posted are too, really, too rich of mids.
Results a muddy tone.
This is not a simply aspect for eq, it's in structure of this sound.

For me e for my conception of guitar sound.

I can find it usable in a solo, but for my ears, is a little bit sterile

imho.
(and IF the plug sounds as the samples posted, i don't know the settings)

Ciao Nik.

zeoy · Post by **zeoy** » Mon May 14, 2007 6:03 am

you're right about the mids Nik. In my sample (I don't remember the exact settings) I had them lowered, something like 4/10 and treble was heavily boosted. Seems like the cab sim cuts too much highs. It's the opposite with JCM where I find that there are too much highs. I still, find the sound useful and amp like. I think that if the cab sim could be disabled it would be much more flexible with some convolution plug-in and a few good IRs.

Sascha Franck · Post by **Sascha Franck** » Mon May 14, 2007 7:11 am

jens wrote: serious question? Ever been to a flea market?

No, what's that?
Err well...

the magazine versions (KEYS or Keyboards - can't remember) of Samplitude SE and Lounge Lizard had an explicit license granting the installation on one single machine - everything which doesn't have such a license can be installed by anyone who's got the CD of the magazine in his hands.

Hm, not sure about that point, but you might be right.

Man kann's echt auch übertreiben - aber vielleicht hast Du ja tatsächlich nur gescherzt...

Sorry for the german, but well...

Das Ding ist, ich könnte mir durchaus vorstellen, dass ich den Kram für kommerzielle Sachen benutze. Und da habe ich mir angewöhnt, eine "zero tolerance" Praxis zu verfolgen. Sprich, es gibt auf meinen Musikkisten nicht ein einziges File, welches auch nur annähernd fragwürdig ist, seien es Samples, irgendwelche durchgesickerten DLLs oder weißdergeierwas. Ich will halt niemals in die Situation kommen, irgendwem erklären zu müssen, was jetzt File XYZ auf meiner Kiste zu suchen hat. Das kann ich mir so richtig gar nicht erlauben.
Aber gut, ich werd's einfach ausprobieren und dann irgendwann das Magazin bestellen (oder eben auch nicht).
Ich bin da übrigens normalerweise nicht ganz so zickig oder penibel, aber wie gesagt, hier handelt es sich um einen Rechner, der mehr oder minder oft der Öffentlichkeit preisgegeben ist. Da will ich halt auf Nummer sicher gehen.

And fwiw, I was just explaining to Jens why I *need* to play it absolutely safe on my machine(s), without even the slightest exception.

Niksounds · Post by **Niksounds** » Mon May 14, 2007 7:15 am

zeoy wrote:you're right about the mids Nik. In my sample (I don't remember the exact settings) I had them lowered, something like 4/10 and treble was heavily boosted. Seems like the cab sim cuts too much highs. It's the opposite with JCM where I find that there are too much highs. I still, find the sound useful and amp like. I think that if the cab sim could be disabled it would be much more flexible with some convolution plug-in and a few good IRs.

Yep, in fact the aspect of cabs sim is fundamental.

Also, i hope and think that the next plug of Overloud will be really interesting.

Thomas Serafini has made a spectacular job with guitarsuite for the time/years of relase.

cheul · Post by **cheul** » Mon May 14, 2007 4:44 pm

The tone of this soldano ampsim might be liked/disliked, but am I wrong thinking it has realistic dynamics ? (judging by the demos posted - btw thanks guys)

zeoy · Post by **zeoy** » Mon May 14, 2007 5:16 pm

What I like the best about it is exactly that. How it responds to my playing and my volume pot.
Another plus is the way it gets out of the distortion phase as the chords fade out (check the last chord in my sample). No strange artifacts as it gets from distorted to clean.
Still those mids are a bit too much though.

Lunch Money · Post by **Lunch Money** » Mon May 14, 2007 5:24 pm

Mids rule for distorted guitar.

Guitar Suite CM - Soldano X-88