Flintlock Juno-106 versus the real thing.

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Since it hasn't stopped raining all weekend I took the time to do an interesting test. Some kind soul (whose name I can't recall I'm afraid) posted a link to the long-lost Flintlock Juno-106 VSTi by Philip Lundberg:

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As Roland saw fit to drive a bus through the author's house or whatever, it got me wondering how close it is to a real 106 - mine to be exact:

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The hardware versus software debate has seemingly raged forever and there haven't been enough of this sort of test in my opinion. The Juno-106 is pretty basic by today's standards, I'm not an expert at programming synths so it was a good test for me to do:

Features:
The first thing that struck me was the chorus effect was missing from the plug-in, as were the range 16' / 8' / 4' buttons and the poly mode selector. All the fundamental stuff was there, although the LFO and PWM sliders are the wrong way around. For some reason, taking the PWM slider all the way up on the plug-in drops the pulse wave out altogether.

Sound:
Trying a few A/B comparisons between the two, I noticed that the saw waveform on the plug-in didn't seem as bright as on the real thing, with the filter wide open on both. The real Juno seemed to have more attack, somehow sounding punchier and more raspy (characteristics unique to the Juno, perhaps explaining why they remained popular with many). In contrast, the white noise seemed too bright on the plug-in.

Patches:
My most burning question was of course "can I replicate my favourite patches from the real thing on this plug-in?", the answer - yes. There are a number of inconsistencies between the position of the sliders and the effect they have on the sound, when comparing the plug-in to the real Juno. However, with some tweaking it was surprisingly easy to compensate for this. The absence of chorus was a bit of a show-stopper, but there are always external chorus effect plug-ins to fall back on. What matters to me is the oscillator and filter behaviour, which aren't exactly the same but near enough for me.

A/B Comparison:
The plug-in comes with a handful of presets, one of which is named "Can't Get Enough" and sounds quite nice. It's a pulse wave with "SUB" oscillator and saw wave, with pitch LFO and quite long release time. It didn't take long to translate this to the real 106, but the slider inconsistencies mentioned above made it a little tricky. I then had a go at playing you-know-what, using the same patch for bass / left hand and lead / right hand. Here's how it sounds. I'm not going to tell you whether it's the plug-in or the real thing you're hearing, it's more fun to see what you guys think. Someone will probably know exactly what's going on in the clip... :hihi:

Conclusion:
The Juno-106 is regarded as legendary by many (which is debatable), but there's not much it can do that this SynthEdit effort can't. Too bad Roland barred the distribution of the plug-in, with a little more refinement it could have been absolutely spot on. I'm keeping my copy, Mister Roland please note that I own a real one so I'm sort-of entitled to!

Sorry this was a bit quick and dirty but I enjoyed doing it. I'm not about to get offered a job at Sound On Sound any time soon but what the hell.
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the only thing i dont like about this vst is that (at least in FL Studio) it does not save any of my changes. whenever i open a track in which i have used the juno, it has always reverted back to the default preset.

i love the sound of the plug, but since it never saves my tweaks it is basically unusable. :(

-Bren

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works fine in fl7, here.
..what goes around comes around..

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The only useful thing(s) about the 106 (apart from the chorus, as you mentioned - and indeed is quite distinct) is the two large flat expanses on both left and right for putting respectively:
1) Ashtray
2) Beer/wine/beverage of choice
(although you need to have a flashy synth stand that will enable you to tilt the Juno back at an angle to avoid spilling of aforesaid beverage of choice all over the keys).

Can the plugin do that?

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ouroboros wrote:works fine in fl7, here.
lucky bastard



:lol: at what kritikon said


-Bren

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Without the chorus, the 106 is pretty thin and cheesy in most cases to me, save for one thing; Deep bass sounds. Can it at least accomplish this?

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It actually sounds pretty good, but lacks some of the Features and Sound of the Real Juno106. It's still a good emulation though. And the Reason Roland gave this plug the Axe was because the Author used the Roland name without permission the author could have simply changed the name to something else and there would be no problem, who knows why the author decided not too. :shrug: 8)
Last edited by BFunKu on Sun May 13, 2007 5:06 pm, edited 1 time in total.

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Just wanted to thank the creator of this wonderous freebie.

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im interested myself in such test...
regardless of the result, i must admit i was rather sceptic about this emulation for ages, but i realized that i was underrating it IMO, after a while i decided to take a breath and go in deep immersion on that...as far as what i heard, i finally decided to keep it in the main vst folder anyway, even because afaik its not using too much power at least on my sys and i find the preset a good start to modify and have a start creating patches and the bass sounds i was coming out with that were pretty satisfying to me...
i never checked the save preset bug but i m doing it asap myself to see how it behaves...
with that said anyway, im curious to check this thread going on ;)
Peace
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What do you guys think about the BrainSlayer Juno Emu?
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as far as i tested (not much time) i gave up with that one after some attempts of creating sounds...i preferred the flintlock one almost at once for the use i need...
but again, thats my humble opinion...im sure some other ones may prefer the brainslayer one..
Peace
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kritikon wrote:The only useful thing(s) about the 106 (apart from the chorus, as you mentioned - and indeed is quite distinct) is the two large flat expanses on both left and right for putting respectively:
1) Ashtray
2) Beer/wine/beverage of choice
(although you need to have a flashy synth stand that will enable you to tilt the Juno back at an angle to avoid spilling of aforesaid beverage of choice all over the keys).

Can the plugin do that?
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
Bwah ha ha hah! Too funny.

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Modeler wrote:Here's how it sounds. I'm not going to tell you whether it's the plug-in or the real thing you're hearing, it's more fun to see what you guys think. Someone will probably know exactly what's going on in the clip... :hihi:
So did anyone notice anything odd about this clip? Since nobody mentioned it I might as well explain. It is actually both the plug-in and the real Juno playing alternate bars - I shit you not. Pretty damn close innit? :)

Your challenge now is to pick out which is playing the even bars and which the odd.
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glad to hear that..still couldnt check the clip but ill do asap ;)
Peace
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i'd say even are the real, odd are the plug
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